lol...i think this discussion is getting personal from both sides...I would not answer you here just to close this discussion here as I think we are going in the wrong direction.
Regards, Irum On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Zeeshan Haq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Irum, > > By saying Peer-e-Kamil I mean to say that we all have this in our core... > in our soul.. its just need an ignition to execute... > dont you think its pathetic that still after 61 years of our nation we do > not decide whom to starts with ? who to being with ? > > khair... you dont need to agree but do not agree to disagree.. I am honored > to have your feedback. > By saying that Indian flick its actually I am trying to do is to relating > an ordinary thing with something very specific you can say that creating > "buttrefly effect". > > Ok.. I am taking an Initiative to regularize all the Murgi wala from our > city first.. do not buy murgi from those shops where shopkeepers not > concerns with basic neatness and hygiene... > who are with me? > Irum, are you with me now? > > > Regards, > and Rmadan Mubarak to all > > ZH > > > On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Irum Rauf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> Thanks Sohail for your information. One of the major streams of our >> work is working on this area as well. I will keep you in my contacts >> for future correspondence when needed. >> >> Thanks Zeeshan, for your comments. I won't buy your 'Indian film' word >> and other bad slangs for things that you do not agree with. I also do >> not agree with many of the things you say but I totally respect your >> point of view. >> >> Anyways, if you think that we do need a Peer-e-kamil, then there is >> nothing wrong with it. But rather than waiting for one(which I have no >> idea that when he will emerge), we can rather start as ordinary humans >> with what we can. Besides, instead of waiting for Peer-e-Kamil, why >> don't you become one? I am sure many can follow you...If you take the >> initiative. >> >> Best Regards, >> Irum >> >> On 9/1/08, Zeeshan Haq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Irum Thank you for the feedback... >> > >> > last para remind me Indian flick Nayak... leave all introductory shits >> and >> > do the exact business! >> > I wish if life could be an Indian movies... ah! leave tht ... so >> fellows.. >> > >> > nopes I disagree... we have to BE or FOLLOW peer-e-kamil ... there is >> > absolutely no other way else.. we waste rest of our lives finding >> answers >> > and left confuse, frustrated labyrinth that other will follow! (please >> do >> > not think. to be or not to be that is the question!!!) .. >> > >> > Ok we know the issue... we know where to do... and most of us how to >> > do...any one let us know when to do ??? >> > >> > Dear Faisal, >> > I have few reservations with you which I will share later... but could >> you >> > guide us steps to rebuild our nation ?? and share the time line when and >> how >> > ? >> > >> > I suggest one Idea here... lets take Pakistan as a Corporate >> > Organization... like Sheikh in Dubai has taken and then run it as a >> > Corporate... may be in this case we Compete with rest as "ONE" brand >> under >> > "PAKI" ... and re-engineered whole system?? (folks, need your comments, >> > sure you can through eggs tooo :) tomatoes are welcome too ) >> > >> > few days back my online fellow who is a singer in Spain and never >> visited >> > Pakistan yet, made me speechless by asking this asking question... "so >> you >> > live in land of pure? " >> > >> > Regards, >> > ZH >> > >> > On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Moinuddin Sohail <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >wrote: >> > >> >> Irum, >> >> >> >> I am from karachi and we are doing so many things, like wheel chairs >> >> provide to the needy persons, financial support for those childerns >> whose >> >> can not efford their educational expenses, etc etc.... I believe that >> if >> >> you >> >> have a potential then you can change the system, and I am sure that >> this >> >> generation have a lot of potential and we need to have a sincere >> >> leadership.... >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Sohail >> >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 11:26 PM, Irum Rauf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Thanks Moinuddin and Kawal. I am glad that most of us think on the >> same >> >>> lines and Moinuddin can you tell me something about what you do, I >> mean >> >>> the >> >>> services you can offer, any specific field or in general? Also, kindly >> >>> let >> >>> me know the city you belong to? >> >>> >> >>> And Zeeshan, many thanks for your comment. It gives a chance to clear >> >>> many >> >>> things. You have all the rights to disagree but I believe that we are >> not >> >>> being pop-cultured patriotic. You can call it patriotism, but not >> >>> stereotype >> >>> it as pop-cultured patriotic. Many of my friends around me also ask >> the >> >>> same >> >>> question "what are our policy makers doing" and if we are given a >> chance >> >>> we >> >>> will also leave and settle abroad. We are losing great minds, >> >>> engineers,consultants but there is nothing worthwhile being done here >> to >> >>> adjust them on our own soil..same is the case with the number of >> >>> doctors(Phds) we are producing - sending them abroad and from >> pakistani >> >>> unis >> >>> as well - HEC is providing huge funding for doing Phds...after few >> years >> >>> there will be a huge influx of doctors from inside and outside(when >> they >> >>> are >> >>> all done with their degrees)....i wonder what is our future policy to >> >>> accommodate them all with good pays. But then in the end, the only >> thing >> >>> comes into my mind is that some will have to compromise a little on >> pay >> >>> scales and all ,to bring some change even if gradually....after all we >> >>> all >> >>> make sacrifices for our families and home....compromises for our >> country >> >>> will only come if we own our country as home...i guess we as a nation >> are >> >>> missing patriotism somewhere in our upbringings....parents have been >> (and >> >>> still are) raising their children telling what a crap Pakistan is...we >> >>> need >> >>> to tell yes it has become crap but now you have to make contribution >> to >> >>> correct it a little. >> >>> >> >>> I don't think that only "Peer-e-kamil' can bring a change. I think an >> >>> ordinary person can bring a change( if properly groomed which WE can >> to >> >>> some >> >>> extent via seminar and media etc) . If our leaders are jerks, then why >> >>> shouldn't we become the change we want to be?Are we as citizen >> fulfilling >> >>> the responsibilities that we expect our leaders to? >> >>> >> >>> If I become the President, I wont list down something as top priority >> >>> since everything is at top priority. Everyhting needs attention. If >> day >> >>> and >> >>> night meetings can be conducted for Judiciary issue only, why cant >> they >> >>> be >> >>> conducted with so much importance to address energy crisis issue, >> >>> education >> >>> issue, security issue etc. >> >>> >> >>> Sorry for being too long. Just went with the flow. >> >>> Thanks for your time. >> >>> Best Regards, >> >>> Irum >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Zeeshan Haq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> I dont know why but I am feeling pop-cultured patriotic people >> here... >> >>>> no offence >> >>>> I will be glad if I am 100% wrong here... >> >>>> so how we safe Pakistan, yesterday on call with Bina I was stammering >> >>>> that what if I be president what would I do? and there were millions >> of >> >>>> things in mind and I was totally lost to mentioned what was the >> foremost >> >>>> issue... education, econonic growth, health and the list goes on.... >> >>>> Seriously speaking we want Peer-e-Kamil rather then lasto verka jerks >> ! >> >>>> >> >>>> I am sure if I get an opportunity to work abroad and settle I be the >> >>>> first person to go... >> >>>> >> >>>> we need revolution...we need it in every walks of our life... >> >>>> >> >>>> --ZH >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 7:26 PM, KanwaL Naz >> >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Assalam-o-alikum! >> >>>>> Irum you are very right.. >> >>>>> From last two days Im reading the history of Qurtubah, Undalas, >> >>>>> Ashbelia >> >>>>> and The situation is as some as it was in 458 Hijri. ( sadly saying >> >>>>> History >> >>>>> Repeate it self ) But Yes Inshah-ALLAH we will build a better >> future. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Regards, >> >>>>> KanwaL >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> AOA, >> >>>>> I would say to you and Zubaida apa that we are here and we will >> build a >> >>>>> good future Inshallah. If you read Pakistan's history, you will see >> >>>>> that >> >>>>> there are bad politicians at every stage. But Alhamdolilah, in every >> >>>>> generation some youngsters and elders stand up to save it from >> >>>>> fallling. >> >>>>> Some are in this generation also and we will prove it Inshallah. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> The programme has ended but I wanted to convey this to you and apa >> as >> >>>>> program ended at a little sad note:( >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Best Regards, >> >>>>> Irum >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ------------------------------ >> >>>>> Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. 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