so the action Item from now On... every one here whenever go for buying chicken must persuade to that shopkeeper about the hygiene and share rest of your circle that persuade them... In the mean while any one who have contacts in City Government?
where is Faisal Qureshi ?? ... FAISAL... SOS... Irum thank you for the feedback..but yes we all know what how..its time to take action...be a verb rather then preposition! :) Regards, ZH On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Irum Rauf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes well said...the show must go on:) > > You are all very right about improving hygienic condition even when it > comes to buying chicken and other stuff. Alhamdolilah, we, who are > discussing these ideas here can afford to buy frozen chicken either easily > or by managing our budget but as Zeeshan says we need this change at all > social levels. The only point that I have to make is that we cannot sit and > wait for government policies to be made regarding these issues and then wait > for them to finally get implemented. We need to do something ourselves in > even educating these people about hygiene. Natasha is right that the change > will be slow but it will occur and I think these changes are long lasting > then those done by forcing.By saying this i do not mean a very slow change, > but rather somewhere in the middle - a strict check and raising awareness at > the same time. > > We can start by giving suggestions on what should be done and also > involving people who can provide it a little government involvement or > social influence in this, volunteers for such a team, and then actually > going out and doing it. > > Best regards, > Irum > > On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Zeeshan Haq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> :) >> >> Waslam folks.... >> >> Natasha... wohi tuoo main kehna charaha tha... good that you picked that >> up! of course I am not expecting over night change and I am sane enough to >> know which part of the world I am sitting and how difficult is to convince >> people here...like you said convince them & I did with getting a very >> logical reply,"* if you want to have cleanness go to Makro." or get >> frozen food * >> so what may point of view in all of my discussion is to >> >> - How we change the mindset of our people? >> >> This could not be change by lip business here and I am very very vocal >> about it... >> see... we do have a substitute of chicken either that Bibi Jan's forzen >> food or Makro...the real idea is the CHANGE on all social levels ...people >> living in "jhugis" or lesser privilege income house holds SHOULD get and >> enjoy Hygienic lifestyle and quality these two must not limit to those who >> can afford it... >> >> In developed nation consumers always get the same quality and cleanness >> irrespective of the social demographics they belong... >> >> hope you all understand well now.. >> >> and nothing is personal here... so show must go on till we have a sign off >> from any Government policy maker or regulatory body to fix this issue >> >> Regards, >> ZH >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Irum Rauf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> lol...i think this discussion is getting personal from both sides...I >>> would not answer you here just to close this discussion here as I think we >>> are going in the wrong direction. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Irum >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Zeeshan Haq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> Irum, >>>> >>>> By saying Peer-e-Kamil I mean to say that we all have this in our >>>> core... in our soul.. its just need an ignition to execute... >>>> dont you think its pathetic that still after 61 years of our nation we >>>> do not decide whom to starts with ? who to being with ? >>>> >>>> khair... you dont need to agree but do not agree to disagree.. I am >>>> honored to have your feedback. >>>> By saying that Indian flick its actually I am trying to do is to >>>> relating an ordinary thing with something very specific you can say that >>>> creating "buttrefly effect". >>>> >>>> Ok.. I am taking an Initiative to regularize all the Murgi wala from our >>>> city first.. do not buy murgi from those shops where shopkeepers not >>>> concerns with basic neatness and hygiene... >>>> who are with me? >>>> Irum, are you with me now? >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> and Rmadan Mubarak to all >>>> >>>> ZH >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Irum Rauf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks Sohail for your information. One of the major streams of our >>>>> work is working on this area as well. I will keep you in my contacts >>>>> for future correspondence when needed. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks Zeeshan, for your comments. I won't buy your 'Indian film' word >>>>> and other bad slangs for things that you do not agree with. I also do >>>>> not agree with many of the things you say but I totally respect your >>>>> point of view. >>>>> >>>>> Anyways, if you think that we do need a Peer-e-kamil, then there is >>>>> nothing wrong with it. But rather than waiting for one(which I have no >>>>> idea that when he will emerge), we can rather start as ordinary humans >>>>> with what we can. Besides, instead of waiting for Peer-e-Kamil, why >>>>> don't you become one? I am sure many can follow you...If you take the >>>>> initiative. >>>>> >>>>> Best Regards, >>>>> Irum >>>>> >>>>> On 9/1/08, Zeeshan Haq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> > Irum Thank you for the feedback... >>>>> > >>>>> > last para remind me Indian flick Nayak... leave all introductory >>>>> shits and >>>>> > do the exact business! >>>>> > I wish if life could be an Indian movies... ah! leave tht ... so >>>>> fellows.. >>>>> > >>>>> > nopes I disagree... we have to BE or FOLLOW peer-e-kamil ... there is >>>>> > absolutely no other way else.. we waste rest of our lives finding >>>>> answers >>>>> > and left confuse, frustrated labyrinth that other will follow! >>>>> (please do >>>>> > not think. to be or not to be that is the question!!!) .. >>>>> > >>>>> > Ok we know the issue... we know where to do... and most of us how to >>>>> > do...any one let us know when to do ??? >>>>> > >>>>> > Dear Faisal, >>>>> > I have few reservations with you which I will share later... but >>>>> could you >>>>> > guide us steps to rebuild our nation ?? and share the time line when >>>>> and how >>>>> > ? >>>>> > >>>>> > I suggest one Idea here... lets take Pakistan as a Corporate >>>>> > Organization... like Sheikh in Dubai has taken and then run it as a >>>>> > Corporate... may be in this case we Compete with rest as "ONE" brand >>>>> under >>>>> > "PAKI" ... and re-engineered whole system?? (folks, need your >>>>> comments, >>>>> > sure you can through eggs tooo :) tomatoes are welcome too ) >>>>> > >>>>> > few days back my online fellow who is a singer in Spain and never >>>>> visited >>>>> > Pakistan yet, made me speechless by asking this asking question... >>>>> "so you >>>>> > live in land of pure? " >>>>> > >>>>> > Regards, >>>>> > ZH >>>>> > >>>>> > On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Moinuddin Sohail < >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> Irum, >>>>> >> >>>>> >> I am from karachi and we are doing so many things, like wheel chairs >>>>> >> provide to the needy persons, financial support for those childerns >>>>> whose >>>>> >> can not efford their educational expenses, etc etc.... I believe >>>>> that if >>>>> >> you >>>>> >> have a potential then you can change the system, and I am sure that >>>>> this >>>>> >> generation have a lot of potential and we need to have a sincere >>>>> >> leadership.... >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Thanks, >>>>> >> Sohail >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 11:26 PM, Irum Rauf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >>> Thanks Moinuddin and Kawal. I am glad that most of us think on the >>>>> same >>>>> >>> lines and Moinuddin can you tell me something about what you do, I >>>>> mean >>>>> >>> the >>>>> >>> services you can offer, any specific field or in general? Also, >>>>> kindly >>>>> >>> let >>>>> >>> me know the city you belong to? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> And Zeeshan, many thanks for your comment. It gives a chance to >>>>> clear >>>>> >>> many >>>>> >>> things. You have all the rights to disagree but I believe that we >>>>> are not >>>>> >>> being pop-cultured patriotic. You can call it patriotism, but not >>>>> >>> stereotype >>>>> >>> it as pop-cultured patriotic. Many of my friends around me also ask >>>>> the >>>>> >>> same >>>>> >>> question "what are our policy makers doing" and if we are given a >>>>> chance >>>>> >>> we >>>>> >>> will also leave and settle abroad. We are losing great minds, >>>>> >>> engineers,consultants but there is nothing worthwhile being done >>>>> here to >>>>> >>> adjust them on our own soil..same is the case with the number of >>>>> >>> doctors(Phds) we are producing - sending them abroad and from >>>>> pakistani >>>>> >>> unis >>>>> >>> as well - HEC is providing huge funding for doing Phds...after few >>>>> years >>>>> >>> there will be a huge influx of doctors from inside and outside(when >>>>> they >>>>> >>> are >>>>> >>> all done with their degrees)....i wonder what is our future policy >>>>> to >>>>> >>> accommodate them all with good pays. But then in the end, the only >>>>> thing >>>>> >>> comes into my mind is that some will have to compromise a little on >>>>> pay >>>>> >>> scales and all ,to bring some change even if gradually....after all >>>>> we >>>>> >>> all >>>>> >>> make sacrifices for our families and home....compromises for our >>>>> country >>>>> >>> will only come if we own our country as home...i guess we as a >>>>> nation are >>>>> >>> missing patriotism somewhere in our upbringings....parents have >>>>> been (and >>>>> >>> still are) raising their children telling what a crap Pakistan >>>>> is...we >>>>> >>> need >>>>> >>> to tell yes it has become crap but now you have to make >>>>> contribution to >>>>> >>> correct it a little. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> I don't think that only "Peer-e-kamil' can bring a change. I think >>>>> an >>>>> >>> ordinary person can bring a change( if properly groomed which WE >>>>> can to >>>>> >>> some >>>>> >>> extent via seminar and media etc) . If our leaders are jerks, then >>>>> why >>>>> >>> shouldn't we become the change we want to be?Are we as citizen >>>>> fulfilling >>>>> >>> the responsibilities that we expect our leaders to? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> If I become the President, I wont list down something as top >>>>> priority >>>>> >>> since everything is at top priority. Everyhting needs attention. If >>>>> day >>>>> >>> and >>>>> >>> night meetings can be conducted for Judiciary issue only, why cant >>>>> they >>>>> >>> be >>>>> >>> conducted with so much importance to address energy crisis issue, >>>>> >>> education >>>>> >>> issue, security issue etc. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Sorry for being too long. Just went with the flow. >>>>> >>> Thanks for your time. >>>>> >>> Best Regards, >>>>> >>> Irum >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Zeeshan Haq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> I dont know why but I am feeling pop-cultured patriotic people >>>>> here... >>>>> >>>> no offence >>>>> >>>> I will be glad if I am 100% wrong here... >>>>> >>>> so how we safe Pakistan, yesterday on call with Bina I was >>>>> stammering >>>>> >>>> that what if I be president what would I do? and there were >>>>> millions of >>>>> >>>> things in mind and I was totally lost to mentioned what was the >>>>> foremost >>>>> >>>> issue... education, econonic growth, health and the list goes >>>>> on.... >>>>> >>>> Seriously speaking we want Peer-e-Kamil rather then lasto verka >>>>> jerks ! >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> I am sure if I get an opportunity to work abroad and settle I be >>>>> the >>>>> >>>> first person to go... >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> we need revolution...we need it in every walks of our life... >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> --ZH >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 7:26 PM, KanwaL Naz >>>>> >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Assalam-o-alikum! >>>>> >>>>> Irum you are very right.. >>>>> >>>>> From last two days Im reading the history of Qurtubah, Undalas, >>>>> >>>>> Ashbelia >>>>> >>>>> and The situation is as some as it was in 458 Hijri. ( sadly >>>>> saying >>>>> >>>>> History >>>>> >>>>> Repeate it self ) But Yes Inshah-ALLAH we will build a better >>>>> future. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> KanwaL >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> AOA, >>>>> >>>>> I would say to you and Zubaida apa that we are here and we will >>>>> build a >>>>> >>>>> good future Inshallah. If you read Pakistan's history, you will >>>>> see >>>>> >>>>> that >>>>> >>>>> there are bad politicians at every stage. But Alhamdolilah, in >>>>> every >>>>> >>>>> generation some youngsters and elders stand up to save it from >>>>> >>>>> fallling. >>>>> >>>>> Some are in this generation also and we will prove it Inshallah. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The programme has ended but I wanted to convey this to you and >>>>> apa as >>>>> >>>>> program ended at a little sad note:( >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Irum >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. 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