Dears, I have already started work on this issue and given some tips to the shopkeeper in my area, and you know he is really given me a good responce and I hope that in coming days he will improve all the way.... INSHALLAH, so all please lets start
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Irum Rauf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes well said...the show must go on:) > > You are all very right about improving hygienic condition even when it > comes to buying chicken and other stuff. Alhamdolilah, we, who are > discussing these ideas here can afford to buy frozen chicken either easily > or by managing our budget but as Zeeshan says we need this change at all > social levels. The only point that I have to make is that we cannot sit and > wait for government policies to be made regarding these issues and then wait > for them to finally get implemented. We need to do something ourselves in > even educating these people about hygiene. Natasha is right that the change > will be slow but it will occur and I think these changes are long lasting > then those done by forcing.By saying this i do not mean a very slow change, > but rather somewhere in the middle - a strict check and raising awareness at > the same time. > > We can start by giving suggestions on what should be done and also > involving people who can provide it a little government involvement or > social influence in this, volunteers for such a team, and then actually > going out and doing it. > > Best regards, > Irum > > On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Zeeshan Haq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> :) >> >> Waslam folks.... >> >> Natasha... wohi tuoo main kehna charaha tha... good that you picked that >> up! of course I am not expecting over night change and I am sane enough to >> know which part of the world I am sitting and how difficult is to convince >> people here...like you said convince them & I did with getting a very >> logical reply,"* if you want to have cleanness go to Makro." or get >> frozen food * >> so what may point of view in all of my discussion is to >> >> - How we change the mindset of our people? >> >> This could not be change by lip business here and I am very very vocal >> about it... >> see... we do have a substitute of chicken either that Bibi Jan's forzen >> food or Makro...the real idea is the CHANGE on all social levels ...people >> living in "jhugis" or lesser privilege income house holds SHOULD get and >> enjoy Hygienic lifestyle and quality these two must not limit to those who >> can afford it... >> >> In developed nation consumers always get the same quality and cleanness >> irrespective of the social demographics they belong... >> >> hope you all understand well now.. >> >> and nothing is personal here... so show must go on till we have a sign off >> from any Government policy maker or regulatory body to fix this issue >> >> Regards, >> ZH >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Irum Rauf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> lol...i think this discussion is getting personal from both sides...I >>> would not answer you here just to close this discussion here as I think we >>> are going in the wrong direction. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Irum >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Zeeshan Haq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> Irum, >>>> >>>> By saying Peer-e-Kamil I mean to say that we all have this in our >>>> core... in our soul.. its just need an ignition to execute... >>>> dont you think its pathetic that still after 61 years of our nation we >>>> do not decide whom to starts with ? who to being with ? >>>> >>>> khair... you dont need to agree but do not agree to disagree.. I am >>>> honored to have your feedback. >>>> By saying that Indian flick its actually I am trying to do is to >>>> relating an ordinary thing with something very specific you can say that >>>> creating "buttrefly effect". >>>> >>>> Ok.. I am taking an Initiative to regularize all the Murgi wala from our >>>> city first.. do not buy murgi from those shops where shopkeepers not >>>> concerns with basic neatness and hygiene... >>>> who are with me? >>>> Irum, are you with me now? >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> and Rmadan Mubarak to all >>>> >>>> ZH >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Irum Rauf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks Sohail for your information. One of the major streams of our >>>>> work is working on this area as well. I will keep you in my contacts >>>>> for future correspondence when needed. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks Zeeshan, for your comments. I won't buy your 'Indian film' word >>>>> and other bad slangs for things that you do not agree with. I also do >>>>> not agree with many of the things you say but I totally respect your >>>>> point of view. >>>>> >>>>> Anyways, if you think that we do need a Peer-e-kamil, then there is >>>>> nothing wrong with it. But rather than waiting for one(which I have no >>>>> idea that when he will emerge), we can rather start as ordinary humans >>>>> with what we can. Besides, instead of waiting for Peer-e-Kamil, why >>>>> don't you become one? I am sure many can follow you...If you take the >>>>> initiative. >>>>> >>>>> Best Regards, >>>>> Irum >>>>> >>>>> On 9/1/08, Zeeshan Haq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> > Irum Thank you for the feedback... >>>>> > >>>>> > last para remind me Indian flick Nayak... leave all introductory >>>>> shits and >>>>> > do the exact business! >>>>> > I wish if life could be an Indian movies... ah! leave tht ... so >>>>> fellows.. >>>>> > >>>>> > nopes I disagree... we have to BE or FOLLOW peer-e-kamil ... there is >>>>> > absolutely no other way else.. we waste rest of our lives finding >>>>> answers >>>>> > and left confuse, frustrated labyrinth that other will follow! >>>>> (please do >>>>> > not think. to be or not to be that is the question!!!) .. >>>>> > >>>>> > Ok we know the issue... we know where to do... and most of us how to >>>>> > do...any one let us know when to do ??? >>>>> > >>>>> > Dear Faisal, >>>>> > I have few reservations with you which I will share later... but >>>>> could you >>>>> > guide us steps to rebuild our nation ?? and share the time line when >>>>> and how >>>>> > ? >>>>> > >>>>> > I suggest one Idea here... lets take Pakistan as a Corporate >>>>> > Organization... like Sheikh in Dubai has taken and then run it as a >>>>> > Corporate... may be in this case we Compete with rest as "ONE" brand >>>>> under >>>>> > "PAKI" ... and re-engineered whole system?? (folks, need your >>>>> comments, >>>>> > sure you can through eggs tooo :) tomatoes are welcome too ) >>>>> > >>>>> > few days back my online fellow who is a singer in Spain and never >>>>> visited >>>>> > Pakistan yet, made me speechless by asking this asking question... >>>>> "so you >>>>> > live in land of pure? " >>>>> > >>>>> > Regards, >>>>> > ZH >>>>> > >>>>> > On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Moinuddin Sohail < >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> Irum, >>>>> >> >>>>> >> I am from karachi and we are doing so many things, like wheel chairs >>>>> >> provide to the needy persons, financial support for those childerns >>>>> whose >>>>> >> can not efford their educational expenses, etc etc.... I believe >>>>> that if >>>>> >> you >>>>> >> have a potential then you can change the system, and I am sure that >>>>> this >>>>> >> generation have a lot of potential and we need to have a sincere >>>>> >> leadership.... >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Thanks, >>>>> >> Sohail >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 11:26 PM, Irum Rauf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >>> Thanks Moinuddin and Kawal. I am glad that most of us think on the >>>>> same >>>>> >>> lines and Moinuddin can you tell me something about what you do, I >>>>> mean >>>>> >>> the >>>>> >>> services you can offer, any specific field or in general? Also, >>>>> kindly >>>>> >>> let >>>>> >>> me know the city you belong to? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> And Zeeshan, many thanks for your comment. It gives a chance to >>>>> clear >>>>> >>> many >>>>> >>> things. You have all the rights to disagree but I believe that we >>>>> are not >>>>> >>> being pop-cultured patriotic. You can call it patriotism, but not >>>>> >>> stereotype >>>>> >>> it as pop-cultured patriotic. Many of my friends around me also ask >>>>> the >>>>> >>> same >>>>> >>> question "what are our policy makers doing" and if we are given a >>>>> chance >>>>> >>> we >>>>> >>> will also leave and settle abroad. We are losing great minds, >>>>> >>> engineers,consultants but there is nothing worthwhile being done >>>>> here to >>>>> >>> adjust them on our own soil..same is the case with the number of >>>>> >>> doctors(Phds) we are producing - sending them abroad and from >>>>> pakistani >>>>> >>> unis >>>>> >>> as well - HEC is providing huge funding for doing Phds...after few >>>>> years >>>>> >>> there will be a huge influx of doctors from inside and outside(when >>>>> they >>>>> >>> are >>>>> >>> all done with their degrees)....i wonder what is our future policy >>>>> to >>>>> >>> accommodate them all with good pays. But then in the end, the only >>>>> thing >>>>> >>> comes into my mind is that some will have to compromise a little on >>>>> pay >>>>> >>> scales and all ,to bring some change even if gradually....after all >>>>> we >>>>> >>> all >>>>> >>> make sacrifices for our families and home....compromises for our >>>>> country >>>>> >>> will only come if we own our country as home...i guess we as a >>>>> nation are >>>>> >>> missing patriotism somewhere in our upbringings....parents have >>>>> been (and >>>>> >>> still are) raising their children telling what a crap Pakistan >>>>> is...we >>>>> >>> need >>>>> >>> to tell yes it has become crap but now you have to make >>>>> contribution to >>>>> >>> correct it a little. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> I don't think that only "Peer-e-kamil' can bring a change. I think >>>>> an >>>>> >>> ordinary person can bring a change( if properly groomed which WE >>>>> can to >>>>> >>> some >>>>> >>> extent via seminar and media etc) . If our leaders are jerks, then >>>>> why >>>>> >>> shouldn't we become the change we want to be?Are we as citizen >>>>> fulfilling >>>>> >>> the responsibilities that we expect our leaders to? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> If I become the President, I wont list down something as top >>>>> priority >>>>> >>> since everything is at top priority. Everyhting needs attention. If >>>>> day >>>>> >>> and >>>>> >>> night meetings can be conducted for Judiciary issue only, why cant >>>>> they >>>>> >>> be >>>>> >>> conducted with so much importance to address energy crisis issue, >>>>> >>> education >>>>> >>> issue, security issue etc. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Sorry for being too long. Just went with the flow. >>>>> >>> Thanks for your time. >>>>> >>> Best Regards, >>>>> >>> Irum >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Zeeshan Haq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> I dont know why but I am feeling pop-cultured patriotic people >>>>> here... >>>>> >>>> no offence >>>>> >>>> I will be glad if I am 100% wrong here... >>>>> >>>> so how we safe Pakistan, yesterday on call with Bina I was >>>>> stammering >>>>> >>>> that what if I be president what would I do? and there were >>>>> millions of >>>>> >>>> things in mind and I was totally lost to mentioned what was the >>>>> foremost >>>>> >>>> issue... education, econonic growth, health and the list goes >>>>> on.... >>>>> >>>> Seriously speaking we want Peer-e-Kamil rather then lasto verka >>>>> jerks ! >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> I am sure if I get an opportunity to work abroad and settle I be >>>>> the >>>>> >>>> first person to go... >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> we need revolution...we need it in every walks of our life... >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> --ZH >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 7:26 PM, KanwaL Naz >>>>> >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Assalam-o-alikum! >>>>> >>>>> Irum you are very right.. >>>>> >>>>> From last two days Im reading the history of Qurtubah, Undalas, >>>>> >>>>> Ashbelia >>>>> >>>>> and The situation is as some as it was in 458 Hijri. ( sadly >>>>> saying >>>>> >>>>> History >>>>> >>>>> Repeate it self ) But Yes Inshah-ALLAH we will build a better >>>>> future. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> KanwaL >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> AOA, >>>>> >>>>> I would say to you and Zubaida apa that we are here and we will >>>>> build a >>>>> >>>>> good future Inshallah. If you read Pakistan's history, you will >>>>> see >>>>> >>>>> that >>>>> >>>>> there are bad politicians at every stage. But Alhamdolilah, in >>>>> every >>>>> >>>>> generation some youngsters and elders stand up to save it from >>>>> >>>>> fallling. >>>>> >>>>> Some are in this generation also and we will prove it Inshallah. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The programme has ended but I wanted to convey this to you and >>>>> apa as >>>>> >>>>> program ended at a little sad note:( >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Irum >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. 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