It has been a redhat centric project, and even a year and a half ago when I asked in this forum, I was told that the best bet was to go with redhat as it was most compatible with this project, that debian was not that well supported. I am very tired of hearing from my vendors support that they will only support redhat 7.3, that is of course not the only version of Linux out there, yet none of them will not talk to you if you use another, period, end of call. I've never had a question or a grip about LTSP, it's worked flawlessly for me on numerous installs, both commercial and for non-profits that I've installed it on.
I've never had the impression it is redhat-centric. Maybe the main developers used redhat for developing LTSP on, but from the first hour I used LTSP, there were alternatives;
in fact, my first install was from the .tar.gz files and it worked nice. The list of other distros that work is long, and especially with LTSP4, I think it becomes even more distribution
independant ( as config files are detected automagically and so on ). I have been using SuSE 8.0, 8.1, 8.2 and Debian 3.0 with LTSP and never got the feeling of beeing handled like
a stepchild.
Would you assume your new Sony car radio only works in a Ford car just because it is shown inside one in all tv commercials?
Once more, if you even get live support for installing it in any car you want, be told which screws and cables to buy best for it, and which frequency each single station is on
on #sonycarradio irc channel?
I've really no reason to complain since I don't in fact contribute to this project except for spreading the word, until now.
That's no matter, publicity is always good (which famous person said that? Some US president? :-)
I've questioned redhat before in this forum only to be told by JAM himself that "Buddy, you need to chill out". But I think my questions are valid.
Try and use another distrib. See it works. Make some patches to replace "RedHat" with "$FOOBAR" anywhere found. Done.
Redhat has drawn a line in the sand, not us open source advocates. Why should any open source project, LTSP, K-12 Linux, or any others, continue to do work for the open source community only to have it put into an expensive, non-open source, commercial product while leaving the Debian, Slackware, Gentoo, and FreeBSD distro's as second rate citizens?
As I said before, this is not true. And afaik, as LTSP code and basic packages are GNU licensed, they can only be distributed under some similar context.
But I'm no expert on that terrain.
Would you stop buying Audio CDs only because JVC claims "We invented it, our devices play them best"?
I would think any open source advocate would get in line behind these disto's. And why, when someone in the forum questions redhat, are they made to feel as if they have done something wrong? Has redhat become some sacred cow no one dare offend?
I think RedHat is in US what SuSE is in Germany: The definitive beginner distribution. I'm used to telling people that have no clue of linux but want to give it a try "Use SuSE", just
because it can be bought in every corner PC shop, and it's (nearly?) completely localized, and it works. Easily.
So of course I don't use it myself to much, but prefer Debian, but I wouldn't say publicly "LTSP on SUSE" is crap - to not disfavour LTSP. On all criticism,
I try to remember what makes my like that distro. In my opinion it's dangerous to flamewar some program|distro lots of users use. And that's perhaps one of
the reasons for several people's dislike for starting flamewars against Redhat.
I cannot remember having seen a user that was treated rudely because he questioned RedHat on irc, but I'm far from always_online. As you can see in this discussion thread,
there has been much criticism against RedHat, and the point Ken and Jim made was not to preserve RedHat's reputation but get this discussion stopped as it binds ressources
(on them, too) that could be used more reasonable (e.g. developing ltsp4 or so).
I'm sure I'll be told to "chill out" but I think these points do need to be addressed, publicly, in the open, in the interests of the projects users. I trusted this forum for guidence only to be burned by redhat, what distro would be best?
As I stated above, I use Debian myself. You will have to go with backports, or the "unstable" or "testing" tree to get the most recent software, or (I prefer that way anyhow) compile
e.g. kde3.1 yourself. Debian stable comes with rock solid, but older versions - which should not keep you from installing newer stuff.
If you like the eyecandy suse offers, you could go with them. My personal experience however was they don't care as much for stability as Debian maintainers do (and who knows
what SuSE does next?) - I have no great experience with other distros though.
Distro wars are counterproductive mostly, so please noone flame against my choice - it's just a rating of what I know working.
Bob: If you want a realtime discussion, you'll be welcome probably on irc to just make your own channel and invite people there.
Regards,
Anselm
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