Everyone, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE enough with the RedHat thread. I think you have all established that there is disagreement. Your discussion will be more appropriate and more useful on a RedHat list.
If you feel that you will just burst if you don't respond to what Anselm or Bob has said, reply to *them* and leave the several thousand of us who are here for LTSP out of it. PLEASE??!!?? Pete -- http://www.elbnet.com ELB Internet Service, Inc. Web Design, Computer Consulting, Internet Hosting Anselm Martin Hoffmeister wrote: > > bob wrote: > > > It has been a redhat centric project, and even a year and a half ago > > when I asked in this forum, I was told that the best bet was to go > > with redhat as it was most compatible with this project, that debian > > was not that well supported. I am very tired of hearing from my > > vendors support that they will only support redhat 7.3, that is of > > course not the only version of Linux out there, yet none of them will > > not talk to you if you use another, period, end of call. I've never > > had a question or a grip about LTSP, it's worked flawlessly for me on > > numerous installs, both commercial and for non-profits that I've > > installed it on. > > I've never had the impression it is redhat-centric. Maybe the main > developers used redhat for developing LTSP on, but from the first hour I > used LTSP, there were alternatives; > in fact, my first install was from the .tar.gz files and it worked nice. > The list of other distros that work is long, and especially with LTSP4, > I think it becomes even more distribution > independant ( as config files are detected automagically and so on ). I > have been using SuSE 8.0, 8.1, 8.2 and Debian 3.0 with LTSP and never > got the feeling of beeing handled like > a stepchild. > > Would you assume your new Sony car radio only works in a Ford car just > because it is shown inside one in all tv commercials? > > Once more, if you even get live support for installing it in any car you > want, be told which screws and cables to buy best for it, and which > frequency each single station is on > on #sonycarradio irc channel? > > > I've really no reason to complain since I don't in fact contribute to > > this project except for spreading the word, until now. > > That's no matter, publicity is always good (which famous person said > that? Some US president? :-) > > > I've questioned redhat before in this forum only to be told by JAM > > himself that "Buddy, you need to chill out". But I think my questions > > are valid. > > Try and use another distrib. See it works. Make some patches to replace > "RedHat" with "$FOOBAR" anywhere found. Done. > > > Redhat has drawn a line in the sand, not us open source advocates. > > Why should any open source project, LTSP, K-12 Linux, or any others, > > continue to do work for the open source community only to have it put > > into an expensive, non-open source, commercial product while leaving > > the Debian, Slackware, Gentoo, and FreeBSD distro's as second rate > > citizens? > > As I said before, this is not true. And afaik, as LTSP code and basic > packages are GNU licensed, they can only be distributed under some > similar context. > But I'm no expert on that terrain. > > Would you stop buying Audio CDs only because JVC claims "We invented it, > our devices play them best"? > > > I would think any open source advocate would get in line behind these > > disto's. And why, when someone in the forum questions redhat, are they > > made to feel as if they have done something wrong? Has redhat become > > some sacred cow no one dare offend? > > I think RedHat is in US what SuSE is in Germany: The definitive beginner > distribution. I'm used to telling people that have no clue of linux but > want to give it a try "Use SuSE", just > because it can be bought in every corner PC shop, and it's (nearly?) > completely localized, and it works. Easily. > So of course I don't use it myself to much, but prefer Debian, but I > wouldn't say publicly "LTSP on SUSE" is crap - to not disfavour LTSP. On > all criticism, > I try to remember what makes my like that distro. In my opinion it's > dangerous to flamewar some program|distro lots of users use. And that's > perhaps one of > the reasons for several people's dislike for starting flamewars against > Redhat. > > I cannot remember having seen a user that was treated rudely because he > questioned RedHat on irc, but I'm far from always_online. As you can see > in this discussion thread, > there has been much criticism against RedHat, and the point Ken and Jim > made was not to preserve RedHat's reputation but get this discussion > stopped as it binds ressources > (on them, too) that could be used more reasonable (e.g. developing ltsp4 > or so). > > > I'm sure I'll be told to "chill out" but I think these points do need > > to be addressed, publicly, in the open, in the interests of the > > projects users. I trusted this forum for guidence only to be burned > > by redhat, what distro would be best? > > As I stated above, I use Debian myself. You will have to go with > backports, or the "unstable" or "testing" tree to get the most recent > software, or (I prefer that way anyhow) compile > e.g. kde3.1 yourself. Debian stable comes with rock solid, but older > versions - which should not keep you from installing newer stuff. > If you like the eyecandy suse offers, you could go with them. My > personal experience however was they don't care as much for stability as > Debian maintainers do (and who knows > what SuSE does next?) - I have no great experience with other distros > though. > > Distro wars are counterproductive mostly, so please noone flame against > my choice - it's just a rating of what I know working. > > Bob: If you want a realtime discussion, you'll be welcome probably on > irc to just make your own channel and invite people there. > > Regards, > > Anselm > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. > Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it > help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help > YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ > _____________________________________________________________________ > Ltsp-discuss mailing list. 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