Am glad to be able to have this honest conversation ... here goes ...
I am confused as to why women think people owe it to them to
encourage them and all that. Or why they don't sit down and figure
out why men don't appear to need encouragement. Maybe that's why we
are always ahead. I also wonder why many top chefs, hairdressers and
fashion designers are men. Well, maybe you are really content to be
'secondary' so that's why you need encouragement?
Diversity is not a goal. Output is a goal. For enhancing output, I
would think in terms of what each individual brings to the table.
It's got nothing to do with gender, and everything to do with skills.
Maybe Badru should forward the full list of questions I put forward.
I think its time to take the gloves off for honest talk and stop
trying to be sensitive when we are not really so ...
-- G.
On Feb 10, 2006, at 1:00 PM, Dorcas Muthoni wrote:
If you follow the link provided (http://www.kenet.or.ke/helpdesk/
articles/misc/ encourage_women_linux_howto.pdf ), you will find
tips on how you can encourage the active participation of women in
IT. As we all know, it is paramount to have diversity as it
enhances the output of any piece of work.
More response:
I like to say that the decision to change the image on the poll
website was purely yours. What i did, was to present my observation
on the image the site presented in its original form. Please visit
this site: http://www.answers.com/sexist for more on sexism.
As it is: "What are the *main* *factors* hampering more women from
being deeply involved in IT?" and the options for responses
provided, there a more questions than answers.
I am sorry but i feel you tightly packed such a complex issue. I
will see the output though when you have closed the poll.
Regards,
Muthoni
Guido Sohne wrote:
Hi All,
I agree that the image is sexist. I was myself surprised when I
reached the page and did not find it in place at all. Made me
understand why women like to make their own spaces, to get away
from jokes that are not jokes at all (too serious to be called a
joke).
However, I think that the women must also be in a position to
fight against this sort of thing. Calling for it to be removed is
a good first step. But for that to stop you from your objective
(of voting and registering your point of view), is to give in and
let it remain normal. My motto is: no excuses but again, I can
easily see how this would offend.
Well maybe I should, as a male chauvinist pig, shut up now. When
I one day have my sex change operation, I may be back to talk
more. I wouldn't advise you to hold your breath, though.
-- G.
On Feb 10, 2006, at 5:18 AM, Badru Ntege wrote:
hi all
Invited more participants to the poll and got the following
comment. It's a
view that we need to take seriously also it's the first woman's
view.
Comments please
-----Original Message-----
From: Dorcas Muthoni [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 10:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Africasource2-l] Women in IT
Dear Badru,
I really wanted to vote in your poll but the image that i got on
this site
put me off. It is inappropriate and sexist. If you (you and
collegues) are concerned, please visit this link and look at how
complex
this issue is or how you can help.
http://www.kenet.or.ke/helpdesk/articles/misc/
encourage_women_linux_howto.pd
f
Regards,
Muthoni
LinuxChix Africa
Badru Ntege wrote:
Hi all
We have had an interesting online discussion on this issue on
our Linux
Users group and to bring some sanity we suggested an online
poll. Which
one of the members very kindly designed and put up at http://
www.kurup.biz
.
Right now it seems that only men are particpating though it
seems light
hearted I would like to see what the results are.
So if you can please visit the site and cast your Vote. The
questions
were a summarisation of the online discussions.
regards
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