Agree with Sanga. Interesting and an important discussion. These types of discussions show the maturity of the IT profession in Uganda (cannot imagine having this type of discussion with any of the professionals when first arrived in Ug 10 years ago).
Over the years it has become very clear that when one raises a controversial issue (a strong position as James calls it) in this mailing list, one should be prepared to accept the discussion. This also part of the growth and maturity process. This should indeed not be discouraged. That makes this mailing list so interesting / entertaining and moreover a point of reference for the young professionals. On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:16 PM, sanga collins <[email protected]> wrote: > Why do list members want to ban topics or postings when feelings get hurt. > This stuff is great entertainment and shouldn't be discouraged. > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Noah Sematimba <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> And yes.. I acknowledge that James said this is his final word but since >> he mentioned me by name and I am supposedly the cause of his choosing to >> keep silent on this topic.. I think its only fair I respond to this >> assertions: >> On Jul 7, 2010, at 9:44 PM, Wire James wrote: >> >> Members >> >> this happens to be my final say on this .UG issue because the trend of >> emails that I have been reading have been getting more and more personal. I >> find it a fallacy that when one offers their position on an issue and >> strongly defends it, he/she is labelled all sorts of names. I was shocked to >> the marrow by the statement made by Noah Sematimba in his posting where he >> states: >> ***** begin quote ***** >> I remember clearly this discussion being raised not just once but >> >> multiple times and there being no traction. Now once again it is being >> raised and made to appear as something all the community is pushing >> when there has never actually been any such consensus from what I have >> seen from previous discussions. >> >> This makes me begin to question the motives of the people involved in >> this and whether they are as altruistic as they try to make them seem. >> >> ***** end quote ***** >> >> And why would you reserve the right to "strongly" defend your stand while >> denying others the same right to "strongly" defend their stand? I believe >> this list is meant to encourage free and open expression of one's views. >> Should we thus muzzle freedom of expression of one's perceptions because >> those views may offend others? >> Frankly my questioning the motives motives of those pushing this argument >> does not mean that I am accusing you or anyone else of anything. Others made >> posts questioning the motives of UCC on this issue and I didn't see UCC >> people going up in arms over their statements. If someone else were also to >> question my motives on my stand, I would simply defend my views and explain >> why I think they are wrong in their conclusion, not withdraw from the >> discussion. However, NOT acknowledging that people are not always as >> altruistic as they may appear would be burying our heads in the sand. >> I stand by my statement. If this statement is a fallacy then prove it by >> showing how the whole internet community in Uganda has been behind this >> before and gotten frustrated by a few as was being insinuated by others in >> this thread. Just a good count of previous discussions to show who was for >> and against, and even this particular discussion can easily show whether >> there has been consensus from the broader community on this or in my very >> personal opinion a small bunch of crusaders trying to give the appearance of >> consensus by making the loudest noise. >> <On a personal note> >> I am surprised that as someone who has been a pillar in the internet >> community of Uganda for very many years and someone I have worked with for >> quite a good bit of that time both in and outside of the ICT area you can >> show such a thin skin. I am sure you have been active in many internet >> mailing like the IETF, the various NOGs, and you know the candour and often >> heated arguments that characterizes such discussions yet the members thereof >> do not take things personal. A friend once told me that if I couldn't take >> the heat I should get out of the kitchen when I was complaining about some >> responses I had gotten on a public mailing list when I asked a question. I >> never left the kitchen. I learned how to handle the heat! >> As someone who at some point I am sure was told to RTFM on some mailing >> list earlier in your career like all of us have; How is it that you stood it >> then but now quickly begin claiming that someone questioning your motives >> has "superstitious insinuations"? >> </personal note> >> However for the sake of allowing this discussion to continue lest I appear >> to be stifling your right to express your views, I will refrain from >> questioning yours and anyone else's motives when it comes to this particular >> discussion. >> Noah. >> _______________________________________________ >> LUG mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> >> LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> >> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >> attachments if any). 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