Hear hear! ----- Original message ----- > Agree with Sanga. > > Interesting and an important discussion. These types of discussions > show the maturity of the IT profession in Uganda (cannot imagine > having this type of discussion with any of the professionals when > first arrived in Ug 10 years ago). > > Over the years it has become very clear that when one raises a > controversial issue (a strong position as James calls it) in this > mailing list, one should be prepared to accept the discussion. This > also part of the growth and maturity process. This should indeed not > be discouraged. > > That makes this mailing list so interesting / entertaining and > moreover a point of reference for the young professionals. > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:16 PM, sanga collins <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Why do list members want to ban topics or postings when feelings get > > hurt. This stuff is great entertainment and shouldn't be discouraged. > > > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Noah Sematimba <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > And yes.. I acknowledge that James said this is his final word but > > > since he mentioned me by name and I am supposedly the cause of his > > > choosing to keep silent on this topic.. I think its only fair I > > > respond to this assertions: > > > On Jul 7, 2010, at 9:44 PM, Wire James wrote: > > > > > > Members > > > > > > this happens to be my final say on this .UG issue because the trend > > > of emails that I have been reading have been getting more and more > > > personal. I find it a fallacy that when one offers their position on > > > an issue and strongly defends it, he/she is labelled all sorts of > > > names. I was shocked to the marrow by the statement made by Noah > > > Sematimba in his posting where he states: > > > ***** begin quote ***** > > > I remember clearly this discussion being raised not just once but > > > > > > multiple times and there being no traction. Now once again it is > > > being raised and made to appear as something all the community is > > > pushing when there has never actually been any such consensus from > > > what I have seen from previous discussions. > > > > > > This makes me begin to question the motives of the people involved in > > > this and whether they are as altruistic as they try to make them > > > seem. > > > > > > ***** end quote ***** > > > > > > And why would you reserve the right to "strongly" defend your stand > > > while denying others the same right to "strongly" defend their > > > stand? I believe this list is meant to encourage free and open > > > expression of one's views. Should we thus muzzle freedom of > > > expression of one's perceptions because those views may offend > > > others? Frankly my questioning the motives motives of those pushing > > > this argument does not mean that I am accusing you or anyone else of > > > anything. Others made posts questioning the motives of UCC on this > > > issue and I didn't see UCC people going up in arms over their > > > statements. If someone else were also to question my motives on my > > > stand, I would simply defend my views and explain why I think they > > > are wrong in their conclusion, not withdraw from the discussion. > > > However, NOT acknowledging that people are not always as altruistic > > > as they may appear would be burying our heads in the sand. I stand > > > by my statement. If this statement is a fallacy then prove it by > > > showing how the whole internet community in Uganda has been behind > > > this before and gotten frustrated by a few as was being insinuated > > > by others in this thread. Just a good count of previous discussions > > > to show who was for and against, and even this particular discussion > > > can easily show whether there has been consensus from the broader > > > community on this or in my very personal opinion a small bunch of > > > crusaders trying to give the appearance of consensus by making the > > > loudest noise. <On a personal note> I am surprised that as someone > > > who has been a pillar in the internet community of Uganda for very > > > many years and someone I have worked with for quite a good bit of > > > that time both in and outside of the ICT area you can show such a > > > thin skin. I am sure you have been active in many internet mailing > > > like the IETF, the various NOGs, and you know the candour and often > > > heated arguments that characterizes such discussions yet the members > > > thereof do not take things personal. A friend once told me that if I > > > couldn't take the heat I should get out of the kitchen when I was > > > complaining about some responses I had gotten on a public mailing > > > list when I asked a question. I never left the kitchen. I learned > > > how to handle the heat! As someone who at some point I am sure was > > > told to RTFM on some mailing list earlier in your career like all of > > > us have; How is it that you stood it then but now quickly begin > > > claiming that someone questioning your motives has "superstitious > > > insinuations"? </personal note> However for the sake of allowing > > > this discussion to continue lest I appear to be stifling your right > > > to express your views, I will refrain from questioning yours and > > > anyone else's motives when it comes to this particular discussion. > > > Noah. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > LUG mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > > > > > > LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > > > > > All Archives can be found at > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > > > > > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them > > > (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible > > > for them in any way. --------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sanga M. Collins > > Network Engineering > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Google Voice: (954) 324-1365 > > E- fax: (435) 578 7411 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > LUG mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > > > > LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > > > All Archives can be found at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > > > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including > > attachments if any). 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