This is a peripheral realm near to my day job.  I have a great many friends 
within the agencies charged with enforcement (esp. the US Fish & Wildlife 
Service).  You're right about the cause of eagle endangerment, Vance, but 
protected animals are still often taken as trophies, which doesn't help 
endangered populations.  I support the endangered species act and 
hope/suspect that any zealots within enforcing agencies are tempered in 
considering evidence and the intent of violators; i.e., actively hunting 
live eagles is a different degree of poaching than an 8-yr-old girl who 
finds an eagle feather and unknowingly makes a "dream catcher" with it at 
summer camp and should be considered as such.

Now, back to plectra...

Eugene


At 02:56 PM 11/9/2004, Vance Wood wrote:
>Carl:
>
>Not meaning to split hairs, or as in this case split feathers, it was not
>hunting that drove the Eagle to near extinction but the use of DDT.  This
>insecticide used extensively a generation or so ago had the effect of
>causing the egg shells to become too thin to protect the embryo during
>incubation.  That aside, I understand the laws but have a problem with some
>of the agencies that enforce them having more power to work with impunity,
>even more so than the police.
>
>Vance Wood.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Carl Donsbach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "lute list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 6:30 PM
>Subject: Re: eagle feathers
>
>
> > These laws exist to protect the eagle from being hunted solely for their
> > feathers.  It does happen -  fortunately, less frequently when the law is
> > strictly enforced.  I know it may seem strict to those of us who would not
> > hunt a creature to the edge of extinction for trophies (and draconian to
> > those who don't care), but there are plenty out there who would and do
> > shoot eagles, take and sell the feathers, and try to get away with it by
> > claiming that they had "found" them.  It is because of serious protection
> > that eagles have begun to make a recovery from being endangered.
> >
> > -Carl Donsbach
> >
> >
> > --On Monday, November 08, 2004 1:50 PM -0500 Vance Wood
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > You had better not pick one up off the ground either.  Environmental
> > > extremism not Native American issue.  At least that's the way it is out
> > > West (of the Mississippi that is).
> > >
> > > Vance Wood.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "bill kilpatrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 1:25 PM
> > > Subject: eagle feathers
> > >
> > >
> > >> when i visited vermont in the states recently we went
> > >> to a place where birds of prey - raptors, they're
> > >> called - are cared for if found wounded or sick and
> > >> subsequently put on display if their condition is such
> > >> that releasing them back into the wild would do more
> > >> harm than good.
> > >>
> > >> there were several eagles in the collection and i
> > >> asked in the souvineer shop if they had an eagle
> > >> feather for sale so that i might make a risha or
> > >> plectrum for my oud - eagles are traditionally
> > >> considered to produce the best.
> > >>
> > >> i was surprised to discover that they are not for sale
> > >> - it's a federal offence to sell them in this, or any
> > >> other bird sanctuary that is not an american indian
> > >> based business.
> > >>
> > >> ummph ... them tribes got some sharp lawyers down
> > >> there in washington.
> > >>
> > >> - bill
> > >>
> > >> =====
> > >> "and thus i made...a small vihuela from the shell of a creepy
>crawly..."
> > >> -
> > > Don Gonzalo de Guerrero (1512), "Historias de la Conquista del Mayab" by
> > > Fra Joseph of San Buenaventura
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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> >
> >
> >
> >  Carl Donsbach   -   User Support Analyst
> >  L I T Dept   -   Zimmerman Library, UNM
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> >  Confounded eyeglasses... where'd I leave 'em this time...?        8:-{>
> >
> >


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