Martin as usual has it exactly right historically. 6,9,10

BTW, years ago I wrote about a Dowland piece in Francisque (Pipers 
Galliard), does anyone know if it has been recorded?
I'm sure it has, I just don't have a big CD collection (cheap).

dt




At 01:13 AM 11/28/2007, you wrote:
>Dear All,
>
>It seems I am not alone amongst lutemakers in questioning the 
>motives of my customers when they say they want an 8c lute.  There 
>still seems to be an assumption that a 60cm 8c lute is what everyone 
>should have first, before they branch out into other types.
>
>As has already been said, 6c lutes cover virtually the whole of the 
>"renaissance" lute repertoire, so a 6c lute is an obvious first choice.
>
>If you really want to play all those difficult 7c pieces (Forlone 
>Hope, etc.) you need 7 courses, not 8.  A 7c lute can be OK for 
>earlier music too, especially since there is evidence of  7c lutes 
>going right back to the late 15th C.  The style of the instrument 
>and the barring/thicknessing might become issues, though.
>
>As has been said, there is not much music specifically for 8c - two 
>big collections which come to mind are Reymann and Molinaro, and 
>Terzi's second book.  The main reason for having the extra course is 
>surely to have both the F and D available all the time, but you pay 
>a price in extra string tension, longer bridge, and greater 
>"stiffness" in sound, especially on a small lute.
>
>9c lutes have been almost overlooked in modern times, but were 
>clearly very common around 1600.  Francisque (1600), Besard (1603), 
>Dowland (1604), Dd.9.33, Fuhrmann (1615), Margaret Board - it's a long list.
>
>10c lutes have probably less repertoire than 9c, but maybe not if 
>you include all the "transitional tunings" stuff which is mostly 
>hidden away in manuscripts.  Incidentally I wonder if Kapsberger 
>actually wrote for a liuto attiorbato, as he uses an 11th course 
>once and although the classic liuti attiorbati have 14 courses I'm 
>sure they existed with less.  If I remember correctly, Piccinini's 
>only had 13 courses, with the 13th tuned to a high note to fill in 
>missing chromatics.
>
>As for size of lute, the idea that lutes have to be "in G" still 
>seems to have a real stranglehold (remember all this stuff about 
>putting a capo on a guitar so it's at "lute pitch"?).  We know lutes 
>existed in a variety of sizes, and now that we have started to 
>explore the bigger sizes we're beginning to learn that often bigger 
>is better.  Anything which is difficult on a 60cm lute is still 
>difficult on a 67cm lute, but still possible.  When I made a 76cm 
>lute a while ago I discovered that I could play almost any solo 
>music on it, and it sounded wonderful.  My conclusion is that we 
>should be much more flexible about what we consider normal.
>
>And don't get me on to the sizes of theorboes, ebony veneers, or 
>unison vihuela stringing.....
>
>Best wishes,
>
>Martin
>
>
>
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