Dear Arthur, Your information about the Minkoff facsimilies is very useful to know. My own copy of the Spinacino facsimile is dated 1992, but I suspect that the images from the original edition may have been re-used for later re-prints. Working that out for sure would be a study in itself!
I find it fascinating that for years we have only known Spinacino through the Minkoff edition taken from the pre-war photos in Paris, which made them our primary source for this work. Now these new images will also become a primary source for those of us unable to visit Cracow to see the original.Stephen Fryer is of course right in pointing out that it's presumably the slight distortion of the pages themselves that causes the stave lines to look distorted. It seems clear from the Minkoff print that this distortion was not evident in the photographs used to make their facsimile, so the damage has occurred since then. So we really need to use the Minkoff facsimile and the new images now when studying this source. At first I thought that seeing these new images would not tell us anything new about Spinacino's music, but now I'm not so sure. Just casually looking through the new images this evening f.37v of the Libro Primo caught my eye - in the bottom stave, 7th complete measure, the fourth event looks like a very indistinct '2' and someone has faintly added a 2 below the stave line, plus a '1' (or an extension of the bar line). In the Minkoff print all that can be seen for that event is a fingering dot and a crotchet sign - no tablature numeral at all. Perhaps there may not be many more instances like that, but they are certainly worth looking out for. Do tell us more about the publishers 'corrections' you know about. The more one learns about these things, the more apparent it becomes that 'facsimilies'are not all that we think they are! Best wishes, Denys -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Ness [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 December 2007 23:07 To: Lute Net Subject: [LUTE] Re: Spinacino online Dear Denys, I think it was about the time of the Utrecht lute conference where mention was made of Mrs. Minkoff's practice of retouching her facsimiles. She attended and took Bob Spencer's criticism at one of the sessions with typical good humor. The Minkoff facsimile first dates from 1978. Well before the criticism was expressed. She stopped the practice immediately. I wonder if she re-did the Spinacino facsijmile for the 1998ish reprint. That's a very interesting analysis you have made from a comparison of the two sets of images. During WW_II the ex-Berlin prints were stored in a monestary in Poland. It could well have been cold and damp. As I recall, however, they were very carefully packed. I'll have to tell you about some other instances of publisher's corrections. You are quite correct in looking at all known copies of a print, if possible. And in this case of the same print. ==AJN (Boston, Mass.) This week's free download from Classical Music Library is _Prokofiev's Sonata for Violin and Piano No. 1, Op. 80___ Go to my web page: http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/ For some free scores, go to: http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/arthurjnesslutescores/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denys Stephens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 5:48 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Spinacino online > Dear Arthur & All, > Even though we are looking at two sets of images > of the same prints, the published and online facsimilies > are interesting to compare. Two things are immediately > apparent. The library stamp has been removed from the > title page of the Minkoff edition, which is fair enough > as it's not part of the original, but it does make one wonder > about any other details that might have been 'retouched.' > Secondly, many of the stave lines in the online images > are very distorted, but in the Minkoff print they are dead > straight. So the stave lines must surely have been straight > when the Paris photos were taken. I wonder if the distortion > that > has since occurred might have been from the book being in damp > conditions during the war years? At least, it's good to know > that Petrucci didn't print those wobbly lines! It's also very > nice > to see the corrections Petrucci's workshop made to misprints - > see > for example f.32v, Libro Primo,fourth measure of 'Adieu mes > amours' > where the second event has been corrected.Or f.5r of the Libro > Primo, > top stave, 6th measure, first event: the handwritten '5' is > reasonably > clear in both versions, but in the online copy it's much > clearer that > the '3' below it is handwritten, and that a further tablature > letter > below that has been erased.Despite the fact that we are in > theory looking > at two identical sets of images, there are subtle differences > that are > worth looking out for. > > Best wishes, > > Denys > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arthur Ness [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 01 December 2007 23:00 > To: Lute Net > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Spinacino online > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 9:22 AM > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Spinacino online > > Dear Wolfgang, > > On 12/1/2007, "wolfgang wiehe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Do you noticed differences to the minkoff facsimile? > > Interesting! I have both. Could you show us what differences > you have found > thus far? > > All the best, > > Arto > ==================================================== > Dear Arto and friends, > > They are the same book. Before its discovery in Krakow, the > only surviving > copy of Spinacino (books 1 & 2) was in the Staatsbibliothek in > Berlin (shelf > number Mus. ant. pract. > P680/1-2). It disappeared during WW_II, and was known after > the war from a > Photostat made by Genevieve Thibault (iirc), and > deposited in the Bibliotheque nationale in Paris. The > original > Berlin copy (the only one known in modern days) turned up in > Krakow about > ten years ago. > > Thus the on-line digitalizecd copy and Mrs. Minkoff's facsimile > are > reproductions of the very same book. At one time, Mrs. > Minkoff > retouched some of pages in her facsimiles, but stopped that > parctice after > receiving complaints. In one instance she removed fingering > dots that she > thought were fly specs (or something like that).<g> But I do > not know if she > did so with her Spinacino facsimile, which is fairly late, and > probably > after she got the "Word" (from Bob Spencer). > > There is a modern edition of both books with transcrption and > parallel > tablature in H. L. Schmidt's dissertation at U of North Carlina > at Chapel > Hill. > > ==AJN (Boston, Mass.) > ================================================ > This week's free download from Classical Music Library is > _Prokofiev's > Sonata for Violin and Piano No. 1, Op. 80___ > > Go to my web page: > http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/ > > For some free scores, go to: > http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/arthurjnesslutescores/ > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > >
