Jean-Marie
Rob was wanting to find a compromise that would allow him to play 6c
italian Renaissance music as well as late Dowland. A 7c can manage
that repertoire, but I think the extra course of an 8c would give too
confused a sound for 6c music.
Just as Rob is doing now, I was looking for this sort of compromise,
when I ordered my 7c lute. I knew that both Liz Kenny and Jacob
Heringman had used this same 7C Gerle for this sort of compromise.
Such 7c lutes did indeed exist at that the same time as 6c lutes for
the Italian repertoire (but not 8c lutes, so far as i know). Jacob
used this 7c Gerle, on his Siena recording for a Four part Fantasia
from the Medici Lute Book,
track 7. http://tinyurl.com/3bcaut , but also for the few Dance
pieces, as for example:
track 24. http://tinyurl.com/2nn9kz
I figured that because of its Bologna form, it would do for the
Italian repertoire, and because of its 7c status, it would be alright
for most Elizabethan music, too, even if perhaps, by that period
multi ribbed Paduan lutes might have become more popular.
Indeed, I notice this Dowland concert in which Jacob used the very
same lute to accompany Ellen Hargis both for Dowland songs and lute
solos
http://tinyurl.com/324kog
I don't think an 8c would be really acceptable for the Francesco side
of this compromise.
If Rob wants to go for 64 cms then perhaps a Frei shape might be
better than a Gerle, and probably better than, say a muti-ribbed for
Francesco.
However, if you begin accepting a wider compromise, then why stop at
8c, why not go for a large 10c multi ribbed lute (http://tinyurl.com/
2xvc5j) and have the pleasure of sounding the depths of late
Renaissance such as Bacheler, or transitional music such as Cuthbert
Hely. I am sure this is the TO repertoire that would really draw Rob,
unless I am very much mistaken.
Best regards
Anthony
(*both were apparently acquaintances of Lord Herbert of Cherbury,
Hely might have been his lute tutor, and Lord Herbert may have been
involved in negotiating Jacques's exile to England).
According to my neighbour Miguel Serdoura this concert was
excellent. A small part of it can be heard in the CD of the Lawes'
songs in which, LK plays the Cuthbert
Hely pieces, on a large multi-ribbed lute (by Andrew Rutherford, I
believe) with a dark sound http://tinyurl.com/ypnlbk, and it seems
just right for the sombre music of Cuthbert Hely, in the Vieil Ton.
Le 2 avr. 08 =E0 15:27, Jean-Marie Poirier a ecrit :
> Anthony, Rob,
>
> Why such a disdain for 8 c. lutes ? I have one and will soon have a
> new one from David Van Edwards and I love the instrument : well-
> balanced, convenient for most of the repertoire from 1560 to 1620.
> It puzzles me to see you reject is as you do...
>
> Of course it doesn't deprive me from using a 10 c. when necessary.
> By the way, mine is not very long (61 cm, multiribs) and I usually
> play it tuned at A 415, which works beautifully for most of the
> repertoire, especially the "accords nouveaux" (you can hear it
> there http://poirierjm.free.fr in a Prelude by Mesangeau, 1638)
> and Ballard as well.
> I also play a 7 c. in A and two 6 c., in A and G, but I insist that
> my 8c. is a very handy companion indeed.
> My 11c. after Railich needs a replacement... Was not a very good
> choice really :-( I will soon order a new one after Frei (70 cm)
> from David VE. In the meanwhile I am very impatient to collect my
> little French mandore, 5 strings, 26 cm : next Friday ! and explore
> that fascinating repertoire (Chancy, Schermar ms etc...)
>
> Best,
>
> Jean-Marie
>
>
>
> ======= 02-04-2008 14:36:29 =======
>
>> Rob
>> That is the second time a message has shot forth without me clicking
>> on the send button. I don't know what is up.
>> I had begun to say .
>>
>> I entirely agree with you. The 8c is not a good solution. I am just
>> wondering whether, if you wanted more Dowland than Franceso, a 9/10 c
>> lute might be a possibility.
>> Martin is always telling us that Dowland switched to 9c probably from
>> 7c, or 6c, so it might be a possibility, although I have never
>> seen one.
>>
>> I think from seeing how my neighbour, who was in the same situation
>> exactly as you, has done. He first bought a 10/11c at 66,5 or 67, and
>> then found it didn't really work as a G lute, and so he bought a
>> smaller 7C G lute, but now I think he feels he will neeed a 10c lute
>> as well. That is how it goes, I fear.
>>
>> I think which ever solution you adopt, in a year or so you will be
>> wanting the other one too.
>> Sorry, I think compromises just whet your appetite for more. So I
>> would choose the one you need the most straight away, and when you
>> can no longer go without the other, well ....
>> Regards
>> Anthony
>>
>>> A couple of folks have written to me off-list suggesting an 8c.
>>> Sorry, not interested. Just don't like them. Neither one thing or
>>> another. I'll go either 7 or 10. Probably 7.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the suggestions, nonetheless!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Rob
>>
>>
>>
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