Thanks Anthony for these precisions. My original message seems to have reached the list with some delay, which doesn't really matter anyway ;-) !
All the best, Jean-Marie ======= 02-04-2008 17:01:01 ======= >Jean-Marie > Rob was wanting to find a compromise that would allow him to play 6c >italian Renaissance music as well as late Dowland. A 7c can manage >that repertoire, but I think the extra course of an 8c would give too >confused a sound for 6c music. > >Just as Rob is doing now, I was looking for this sort of compromise, >when I ordered my 7c lute. I knew that both Liz Kenny and Jacob >Heringman had used this same 7C Gerle for this sort of compromise. >Such 7c lutes did indeed exist at that the same time as 6c lutes for >the Italian repertoire (but not 8c lutes, so far as i know). Jacob >used this 7c Gerle, on his Siena recording for a Four part Fantasia >from the Medici Lute Book, >track 7. http://tinyurl.com/3bcaut , but also for the few Dance >pieces, as for example: >track 24. http://tinyurl.com/2nn9kz > >I figured that because of its Bologna form, it would do for the >Italian repertoire, and because of its 7c status, it would be alright >for most Elizabethan music, too, even if perhaps, by that period >multi ribbed Paduan lutes might have become more popular. > >Indeed, I notice this Dowland concert in which Jacob used the very >same lute to accompany Ellen Hargis both for Dowland songs and lute >solos >http://tinyurl.com/324kog > >I don't think an 8c would be really acceptable for the Francesco side >of this compromise. >If Rob wants to go for 64 cms then perhaps a Frei shape might be >better than a Gerle, and probably better than, say a muti-ribbed for >Francesco. > >However, if you begin accepting a wider compromise, then why stop at >8c, why not go for a large 10c multi ribbed lute (http://tinyurl.com/ >2xvc5j) and have the pleasure of sounding the depths of late >Renaissance such as Bacheler, or transitional music such as Cuthbert >Hely. I am sure this is the TO repertoire that would really draw Rob, >unless I am very much mistaken. >Best regards >Anthony > > > >(*both were apparently acquaintances of Lord Herbert of Cherbury, >Hely might have been his lute tutor, and Lord Herbert may have been >involved in negotiating Jacques's exile to England). >According to my neighbour Miguel Serdoura this concert was >excellent. A small part of it can be heard in the CD of the Lawes' >songs in which, LK plays the Cuthbert >Hely pieces, on a large multi-ribbed lute (by Andrew Rutherford, I >believe) with a dark sound http://tinyurl.com/ypnlbk, and it seems >just right for the sombre music of Cuthbert Hely, in the Vieil Ton. > >Le 2 avr. 08 à 15:27, Jean-Marie Poirier a écrit : > >> Anthony, Rob, >> >> Why such a disdain for 8 c. lutes ? I have one and will soon have a >> new one from David Van Edwards and I love the instrument : well- >> balanced, convenient for most of the repertoire from 1560 to 1620. >> It puzzles me to see you reject is as you do... >> >> Of course it doesn't deprive me from using a 10 c. when necessary. >> By the way, mine is not very long (61 cm, multiribs) and I usually >> play it tuned at A 415, which works beautifully for most of the >> repertoire, especially the "accords nouveaux" (you can hear it >> there http://poirierjm.free.fr in a Prelude by Mesangeau, 1638) >> and Ballard as well. >> I also play a 7 c. in A and two 6 c., in A and G, but I insist that >> my 8c. is a very handy companion indeed. >> My 11c. after Railich needs a replacement... Was not a very good >> choice really :-( I will soon order a new one after Frei (70 cm) >> from David VE. In the meanwhile I am very impatient to collect my >> little French mandore, 5 strings, 26 cm : next Friday ! and explore >> that fascinating repertoire (Chancy, Schermar ms etc...) >> >> Best, >> >> Jean-Marie >> >> >> >> ======= 02-04-2008 14:36:29 ======= >> >>> Rob >>> That is the second time a message has shot forth without me clicking >>> on the send button. I don't know what is up. >>> I had begun to say . >>> >>> I entirely agree with you. The 8c is not a good solution. I am just >>> wondering whether, if you wanted more Dowland than Franceso, a 9/10 c >>> lute might be a possibility. >>> Martin is always telling us that Dowland switched to 9c probably from >>> 7c, or 6c, so it might be a possibility, although I have never >>> seen one. >>> >>> I think from seeing how my neighbour, who was in the same situation >>> exactly as you, has done. He first bought a 10/11c at 66,5 or 67, and >>> then found it didn't really work as a G lute, and so he bought a >>> smaller 7C G lute, but now I think he feels he will neeed a 10c lute >>> as well. That is how it goes, I fear. >>> >>> I think which ever solution you adopt, in a year or so you will be >>> wanting the other one too. >>> Sorry, I think compromises just whet your appetite for more. So I >>> would choose the one you need the most straight away, and when you >>> can no longer go without the other, well .... >>> Regards >>> Anthony >>> >>>> A couple of folks have written to me off-list suggesting an 8c. >>>> Sorry, not interested. Just don't like them. Neither one thing or >>>> another. I'll go either 7 or 10. Probably 7. >>>> >>>> Thanks for the suggestions, nonetheless! >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Rob >>> >>> >>> >>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>> >> >> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> http://poirierjm.free.fr >> 02-04-2008 >> >> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 02-04-2008
