Thanks Anthony for these precisions. My original message seems to have reached 
the list with some delay, which doesn't really matter anyway ;-) !

All the best,

Jean-Marie

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>Jean-Marie
>       Rob was wanting to find a compromise that would allow him to play 6c  
>italian Renaissance music as well as late Dowland. A 7c can manage  
>that repertoire, but I think the extra course of an 8c would give too  
>confused a sound for 6c music.
>
>Just as Rob is doing now, I was looking for this sort of compromise,  
>when I ordered my 7c lute. I knew that both Liz Kenny and Jacob  
>Heringman had used this same 7C Gerle for this sort of compromise.
>Such 7c lutes did indeed exist at that the same time as 6c lutes for  
>the Italian repertoire (but not 8c lutes, so far as i know). Jacob  
>used this 7c Gerle, on his Siena recording for a Four part Fantasia  
>from the  Medici Lute  Book,
>track 7. http://tinyurl.com/3bcaut , but also for the few Dance  
>pieces, as for example:
>track 24.  http://tinyurl.com/2nn9kz
>
>I figured that because of its Bologna form, it would do for the   
>Italian repertoire, and because of its 7c status, it would be alright
>for most Elizabethan music, too, even if perhaps, by that period   
>multi ribbed Paduan lutes might have become more popular.
>
>Indeed, I notice this Dowland concert in which Jacob used the very  
>same lute to accompany Ellen Hargis both for Dowland songs and lute  
>solos
>http://tinyurl.com/324kog
>
>I don't think an 8c would be really acceptable for the Francesco side  
>of this compromise.
>If Rob wants to go for 64 cms then perhaps a Frei shape  might be  
>better than a Gerle, and probably better than, say a muti-ribbed for  
>Francesco.
>
>However, if you begin accepting a wider compromise, then why stop at  
>8c, why not go for a large 10c multi ribbed lute (http://tinyurl.com/ 
>2xvc5j) and have the pleasure of sounding the depths of  late  
>Renaissance such as Bacheler, or transitional music such as Cuthbert   
>Hely. I am sure this is the TO repertoire that would really draw Rob,  
>unless I am very much mistaken.
>Best regards
>Anthony
>
>
>
>(*both were apparently acquaintances of Lord Herbert of Cherbury,
>Hely might have been his lute tutor, and Lord Herbert may have been
>involved in negotiating Jacques's exile to England).
>According to my neighbour Miguel Serdoura  this concert was
>excellent. A small part of it can be heard in the CD of the Lawes'
>songs in which, LK  plays the Cuthbert
>Hely pieces, on a large multi-ribbed lute (by Andrew Rutherford, I
>believe) with a dark sound http://tinyurl.com/ypnlbk, and it seems
>just right for the sombre music of Cuthbert Hely, in the Vieil Ton.
>
>Le 2 avr. 08 à 15:27, Jean-Marie Poirier a écrit :
>
>> Anthony, Rob,
>>
>> Why such a disdain for 8 c. lutes ? I have one and will soon have a  
>> new one from David Van Edwards and I love the instrument : well- 
>> balanced, convenient for most of the repertoire from 1560 to 1620.  
>> It puzzles me to see you reject is as you do...
>>
>> Of course it doesn't deprive me from using a 10 c. when necessary.  
>> By the way, mine is not very long (61 cm, multiribs) and I usually  
>> play it tuned at A 415, which works beautifully for most of the  
>> repertoire, especially the "accords nouveaux" (you can hear it  
>> there http://poirierjm.free.fr  in a Prelude by Mesangeau, 1638)  
>> and Ballard as well.
>> I also play a 7 c. in A and two 6 c., in A and G, but I insist that  
>> my 8c. is a very handy companion indeed.
>> My 11c. after Railich needs a replacement... Was not a very good  
>> choice really :-(  I will soon order a new one after Frei (70 cm)  
>> from David VE. In the meanwhile I am very impatient to collect my  
>> little French mandore, 5 strings, 26 cm : next Friday ! and explore  
>> that fascinating repertoire (Chancy, Schermar ms etc...)
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jean-Marie
>>
>>
>>
>> ======= 02-04-2008 14:36:29 =======
>>
>>> Rob
>>>     That is the second time a message has shot forth without me clicking
>>> on the send button. I don't know what is up.
>>> I had begun to say .
>>>
>>>     I entirely agree with you. The 8c is not a good solution. I am just
>>> wondering whether, if you wanted more Dowland than Franceso, a 9/10 c
>>> lute might be a possibility.
>>> Martin is always telling us that Dowland switched to 9c probably from
>>> 7c, or 6c, so it might be a possibility, although I have never  
>>> seen one.
>>>
>>> I think from seeing how my neighbour, who was in the same situation
>>> exactly as you, has done. He first bought a 10/11c at 66,5 or 67, and
>>> then found it didn't really work as a G lute, and so he bought a
>>> smaller 7C G lute, but now I think he feels he will neeed a 10c lute
>>> as well. That is how it goes, I fear.
>>>
>>> I think which ever solution you adopt, in a year or so you will be
>>> wanting the other one too.
>>> Sorry, I think compromises just whet your appetite for more. So I
>>> would choose the one you need the most straight away, and when you
>>> can no longer go without the other, well ....
>>> Regards
>>> Anthony
>>>
>>>> A couple of folks have written to me off-list suggesting an 8c.
>>>> Sorry, not interested. Just don't like them. Neither one thing or
>>>> another. I'll go either 7 or 10. Probably 7.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the suggestions, nonetheless!
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Rob
>>>
>>>
>>>
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