Dear Martin:
Thanks for your response. Concerning graces, or ornaments, in the earlier
repertory, I think it is justifiable if applied with discretion, based on
indications in the Capirola ms. at least. For intabulations of vocal music,
probably just a few rules ought to apply.
First, one should not obscure the clarity of line in polyphony. Second, one
should use imitative graces at points of imitation. Third, one should imagine
a choral director's arched brow if the ornaments draw too much attention to
themselves.
Best wishes,
Ron Andrico
www.mignarda.com> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:04:10 +0100> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED];
lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [LUTE] Re: new piece
of the month> > Dear Ron and All,> > Thanks for pointing out the cognate - I
wasn't familiar with Ness 75. > It does, however, reinforce my impression that
the Marsh piece is > probably an intabulation of a vocal piece, and Ness 75 is
yet another > example of a piece which makes use of thematic material from a
vocal or > instrumental original while not actually being an intabulation. Just
> like my last piece of the month, in fact!> > One of my correspondents noticed
that I played no ornaments in this > piece, and it reminded me of an issue
which I have never quite got > around to bringing up, so maybe now is a good
time:> > I think by now most of us are used to the idea that the large number
of > ornament signs in English 17th C MSS like Board and ML reflect the style >
of the time, in other words the old guys !
played lots of ornaments and > the fact that we don't is rather unHIP. It has
generally been assumed > that this amount of "twiddly business" is a 17th C
phenomenon and > reflects French influence. On the contrary I think lutenists
like John > Johnson played lots of ornaments, it's just that they are not
notated in > some of the earlier MSS (like Marsh). But what about Francesco da
> Milano? There's no doubt that contemporary keyboard players (e.g. > Sancta
Maria, first half 16th C) played lots of ornaments and this was a > practice
which continued throughout the 16th C (another keyboardist, > Diruta, wrote an
important treatise in 1594). I think lutenists > probably played lots of
ornaments as well, and perhaps our modern > performances (mine included) would
strike the old guys as rather bare. > We are very concerned with the notion of
the lute imitating vocal music > and maintaining "pure" polyphony, but perhaps
we are rather out of step > with the old guys on this one.> !
> What do you think? Perhaps we should try adding ornaments to!
Francesco > and Co.? I have tried, of course, but maybe not seriously enough.
Just > to clarify, by "ornaments" I mean "graces", i.e. mordents, trills, >
turns, etc. played with the left hand. Of course there are many > examples of
embellished pieces by Francesco and others where many notes > have been added
in the form of (plucked) diminutions, etc. and that is > also something we
should consider doing.> > Best wishes,> > Martin> > > Ron Andrico wrote:> > >
Dear Martin & all:> > > > Thanks for posting this fantasia from the Marsh book,
and I like the > > way you have repaired the funny bits. I have chosen this
fantasia > > several times as a quiet interlude for communion when playing > >
for church services, just repeating or extending as necessary. If it > > sounds
familiar, it is a cognate of Francesco's 'Richercha Del > > medesimo', f. 37,
Cavalcanti ms. Brussels (Ness 75).> > > > Best wishes,> > > > Ron Andrico> >
www.mignarda.com <http://www.mignarda.com>> > > >> >> !
> > Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:00:51 +0100> > > To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > >
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: [LUTE] new piece of the month> > >>
> > > > Dear All,> > >> > > In the nick of time, before April turns into May,
> > there is a new piece> > > of the month:
> > www.luteshop.co.uk/month/pieceofthemonth.htm> > >> > > Do let me know what
> > you think - sending parcels off into cyberspace> > > sometimes feels like
> > Mr Sting's message in a bottle....> > >> > > Best wishes,> > >> > >
> > Martin> > >> > > P.S. I hope to make it into the 17th C next time.> > >> >
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