> So how does this compare to "Paint It Black" by the Rolling Stones? I think it was ergot in the Renaissance. In the 60s... ; ) Cheers, Tom > As a Brit discussing a past Brit composer, are modern Brit > composers doing the same thing or is "Paint It Black" saying > something more serious? > > (Sometimes it's best to hear an opinion from someone who has grown > up in the same culture give their insights. A lot goes into a baby > along with Mother's Milk that someone outside that culture would > not pick up on.) > > Best, > Stephen. > _________________________________________________________________ > _ > > From: "chriswi...@yahoo.com" <chriswi...@yahoo.com> > To: Lute list <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; Peter Martin > <peter.l...@gmail.com> > Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 9:34:32 AM > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Renaissance Metaphors > --- On Thu, 12/3/09, Peter Martin <[1]peter.l...@gmail.com> wrote: > > From: Peter Martin <[2]peter.l...@gmail.com> > Subject: [LUTE] > Re: Renaissance Metaphors > To: "Lute list" > <[3]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 9:54 > AM > Reminds me of > "Starless and Bible Black". King Crimson, > via Dylan > Thomas. > The poem is not quite up to the eloquent > heights of desperation evinced in a line like "cigarettes and ice > cream," but "Darkness" is still a pretty decent tune. The poem's > definitely about depression. Not truly debilitating clinical > depression, but the sort of narcissistic, "Woe is me! Everyone > _look_ at me wallowing in my own special brand of Weltschmertz! > Don't you feel such great sorrow and respect for my poor poet's > soul that feels everything so much more deeply than y'all?" Its > important to keep in mind that melancholy was a fashionable > artistic conceit at the time. It really was a game of "I can > out-sad you." Thus, a lot of this rep has its tongue firmly > implanted in its cheek and there are excursions into outright > cheesiness. C'mon, can anyone _really_ take that "jarring, jarring > sounds" bit seriously??? Melancholy was a fad precisely because it > was a lot of fun to camp it up play the sad boy. In essence, > they're mocking true depression with a wink and a nudge. Knowing > this does not invalidate the repertoire, but it can help to add > insights into performance. There are enough subtle twists and > turns in Dowland's settings of these poems to let us know that he > was in on the "joke" as much as anyone else. So taking everything > with deadpan seriousness is a mistake. I've always found > performances that do this to be the most disappointing. Chris To > get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > > References > > 1. mailto:peter.l...@gmail.com > 2. mailto:peter.l...@gmail.com > 3. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >
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