Dear David san I didn't think of HIP, but am glad that the topic moved on to it and to know the latest perspective of experts' ... :-) I know Robert Spencer's opinion on singing early modern English which I am not trying to question at the moment. I should have asked 'received pronunciation' (?) of Laten in Anglican church of today.. I am not sure about "Eliza" in latin. "Vivat" is to be pronounced like vee-vat as far as I know... ( other Latin phrases appear in the song didn't sound that English-like in the Rooley's recording.) Tomoko 2017/04/24 0:48 "David van Ooijen" <[1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com>:
HIP 2.0 (?!) Wa chotto hen desu, yo! ******************************* David van Ooijen [1][2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2][3]www.davidvanooijen.nl ******************************* On 23 April 2017 at 17:44, Jerzy Zak <[3][4]jurek...@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Tomoko, Try GoogleTranslate. Put your fraze in the space on the left, choose a language you think it is in, and press the little speaker underneath. Then keep changing languages until you think it rhymes best with âAve MarÃa'. Stupid but works ;) Jerzy â > On 23 Apr 2017, at 17:02, lutenist.mumin.koide gmail <[4][5]lutenist.mumin.ko...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear lute-list, > > Could anyone help me clarify pronunciation of "Vivat Eliza" in Dowland's composition > to Sir. Henry Lee's poem "Time's Eldest Son"? > > I thought it could be " viÃvà ¦t ("Vivat" read in ecclesiastical Latin?) and " ÃiÃzÃ" (with this pronunciation it rhymes with "Ave Maria" ) though many sang it " vaà ªvà ¦t Ãlà ¬à ªzÃ" for which I couldn't find any reason... > > Tomoko > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [5][6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[7]davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. [8]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:[9]jurek...@gmail.com 4. mailto:[10]lutenist.mumin.ko...@gmail.com 5. [11]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 2017/04/24 0:48 "David van Ooijen" <[12]davidvanooi...@gmail.com>: HIP 2.0 (?!) Wa chotto hen desu, yo! ******************************* David van Ooijen [1][13]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2][14]www.davidvanooijen.nl ******************************* On 23 April 2017 at 17:44, Jerzy Zak <[3][15]jurek...@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Tomoko, Try GoogleTranslate. Put your fraze in the space on the left, choose a language you think it is in, and press the little speaker underneath. Then keep changing languages until you think it rhymes best with âAve MarÃa'. Stupid but works ;) Jerzy â > On 23 Apr 2017, at 17:02, lutenist.mumin.koide gmail <[4][16]lutenist.mumin.ko...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear lute-list, > > Could anyone help me clarify pronunciation of "Vivat Eliza" in Dowland's composition > to Sir. Henry Lee's poem "Time's Eldest Son"? > > I thought it could be " viÃvà ¦t ("Vivat" read in ecclesiastical Latin?) and " ÃiÃzÃ" (with this pronunciation it rhymes with "Ave Maria" ) though many sang it " vaà ªvà ¦t Ãlà ¬à ªzÃ" for which I couldn't find any reason... > > Tomoko > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [5][17]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[18]davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. [19]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:[20]jurek...@gmail.com 4. mailto:[21]lutenist.mumin.ko...@gmail.com 5. [22]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 3. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 4. mailto:jurek...@gmail.com 5. mailto:lutenist.mumin.ko...@gmail.com 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 7. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 8. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 9. mailto:jurek...@gmail.com 10. mailto:lutenist.mumin.ko...@gmail.com 11. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 12. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 13. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 14. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 15. mailto:jurek...@gmail.com 16. mailto:lutenist.mumin.ko...@gmail.com 17. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 18. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 19. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 20. mailto:jurek...@gmail.com 21. mailto:lutenist.mumin.ko...@gmail.com 22. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html