Dear All,
Just from memory - Besard insists on thumb-out technique as being the
best, but allows that people with short thumbs may find thumb-inside
easier. I find it inconceivable that he would change hand position
during a piece, and see no reason why you should not use thumb-index
alternation in fast runs with thumb out - flamenco guitarists do it all
the time.
The fingering dots in the ML lute book (c.1640) give an interesting
indication of this. In Dowland's fantasia (Poulton 1, ML ff.14v-15r)
all runs are marked to be played middle-index, except where a running
passage has infrequent bass notes (f.15, second system) which have no
double dots (meaning middle), so presumably to be be played
thumb-index. Once the bass notes become more frequent (and the speed
of the treble movement stays the same, 3rd and 4th systems) the
middle-index alternation returns. Then a fast cadential formula (end of
system 5) lacks any double dots and is therefore thumb-index.
I'm sure there are many other examples like this. Nigel North's recent
talk at the Lute Society gave many interesting examples of RH fingerings.
Martin
On 06/03/2019 08:06, jo.lued...@t-online.de wrote:
Sorry: 'original', naturally!
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Betreff: [LUTE] Re: right hand technique -- bending the pinky
Dear Alan, dear Jurgen,
There is something to that effect in all 'oroginal' versions of Besard's
instructions, that is: 1603 and 1617. I do not remember if ye text englished
contains the passage...
Best
Joachim
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Betreff: [LUTE] Re: right hand technique -- bending the pinky
Jurgen,
It's been a while and I was quoting from memory... but I am sure I saw
it somewhere - perhaps the instructions translated in English in the
Varietie of Lute Lessons?
Or maybe the use of dots in Thesaurus Harmonicus ...
Alain
On 3/4/19 11:11 PM, Jurgen Frenz wrote:
It would be totally excellent if you'd find out where Besard made that
suggestion.
Thanks,
jurgen
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On Tuesday, March 5, 2019 10:40 AM, Alain Veylit <al...@musickshandmade.com>
wrote:
That's odd because I remember O'Dette's advice for the left-hand pinky:
plant it vertically on the string instead of laying it flat - which
requires more effort. That should mean his left-hand little finger can
bend... Not a conclusive proof for the right hand little finger but ...
For Renaissance lute, if I am not mistaken, the right-hand little finger
is supposed to be parallel to the sound board, just lightly brushing on
it, and it should remain extended.
Anybody with a good explanation as to how additional basses would alter
the right hand position? If I recall, Besard still argued for a mixed
technique, thumb-under for fast runs and thumb over for whatever else
(chords). I think it is logical that increasing dedication of the thumb
to the bass strings does account for the shift in right-hand position,
and when you think about it, it is not a small revolution in music
history...
On 3/4/19 7:12 PM, Richard Brook wrote:
Heard via the late great Pat OBrien Paul O’Dette couldn’t bend that finger down
by itself. Though I think Pat said in my case the fault was in my head, not in
the stars.
D ick Brook
On Mar 4, 2019, at 6:58 PM, Alain Veylit al...@musickshandmade.com wrote:
Good one Rainer - Anybody remembers the title of that American series from the
60s-70s where aliens live among us in disguise, and the only sure way to
identify them is that they cannot bend their little finger?
Worth mentioning also about right-hand technique, Jimmy Hendrix playing with
his teeth - frustrated leftie, you think?
On 3/4/19 12:19 PM, Rainer wrote:
On 04.03.2019 17:11, Alain Veylit wrote:
And then, there is Django Reinhardt... one big exception to the rules of guitar
playing. Experimenting with various techniques has probably always been a
popular habit among musicians, whether by choice or force.
And Aguado used the 4th finger of the right hand. Perhaps he was an alien :)
Rainer
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