Thanks Roland! I wasn't trying to be contrarian when I recorded the
album. I had a lot of classical guitar gigs at the time, so I just kept
the nails for the recording session. I knew of historical sources that
mention playing with nails, so figured "I'm allowed to do this,
right?". Today I would be terrified to record that way.
Chris
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On Wednesday, May 8, 2019, 9:47 PM, Roland Hayes
<rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org> wrote:
Now that's what i'm talking about! Great sounding nails. How
politically incorrect these days!
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From: Roland Hayes
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 12:59:35 PM
To: Christopher Wilke
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: De Visee
Thank you so much!
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From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on
behalf
of Christopher Wilke <[4]chriswi...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 10:13:56 AM
To: Roland Hayes; M Del; magnus andersson
Cc: Yuval Dvoran; John Mardinly; jslute; Lute
Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee
It sounds sumpin' like this:
[1][5]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2f2a8IQiXH0&list=OLAK5uy_k-OxLE7w5P
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The entire album was recorded with nails, in the naivite of my
youth
before I realized that HIP means "What's Allowable Now."
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On Tuesday, May 7, 2019, 7:25 PM, Roland Hayes
<[6]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org> wrote:
I don't doubt that 17th century players who used nails had nice
finish
on their nails and a nice sound as a result.
My curiosity is what does solo theorbo music sound like when
competently played with nails?
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on
behalf
of M Del <[5][9]terli...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 5:57:33 PM
To: magnus andersson
Cc: Yuval Dvoran; John Mardinly; Roland Hayes; jslute; Lute
Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee
My first guitar teacher Rolando Valdes-Blain taught his
students
to
use
finely crushed pumice stone and leather from a deer (it
happened
to
be
a piece from a hunter friend).Rolando was old enough to play on
gut
strings until he came back from WW2.
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> On May 7, 2019, at 5:20 PM, magnus andersson
<[6][10]maan7...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>
> Dear collective wisdom,
> From what I have understood, it seems like manicure has been
around
> since at least 3200 BC, so I assume players like Piccinini,
Corbetta
> (who we know had
> to cancel one of his concerts due to a broken nail- and
still
pay
his
> fellow musicians from his own pocket!) and perhaps de VisÃÃ
©e
had
found
> a way for them to get it to work without shredding and
tearing
their
> strings apart constantly, and - to quote Piccinini:
>
> "the one, and very important [thing] is to play neatly, and
cleanly; In
> the manner that all small touches of the string may be
schietto,
like
> pearl[s]"
> /Magnus
>
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2019, 10:45:44 PM GMT+2, John Mardinly
> <[7][11]john.mardi...@asu.edu> wrote:
> Pure speculation. Where are the facts? Can anyone document
good
nail
> polishing techniques that may have been used centuries
ago? I
would
> love to see it. Techniques used to polish things from
telescope
> lenses
> and mirrors to razors would not work well on fingernails.
The
chamois
> stropping technique used by Segovia because there was not
much
better
> in the mid 20th Century would be deemed laughable today
among
those
> who
> play with nails.
> A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
> On May 7, 2019, at 4:48 AM, Yuval Dvoran
> <[1][1][8][12]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de>
> wrote:
> Hahahaha good point!
> To add something substantial to the discussion, I'd like
to
remember
> you that also plants exist which were used for thousands
of
years
to
> polish wood (and maybe also fingernails), e.g. Equisetum
> ("Schachtelhalm" in German).Am 07.05.2019 13:31 schrieb
jslute
> <[2][2][9][13]jsl...@cs.dartmouth.edu>:
> Dear All:
> Might I suggest that a culture sophisticated enough
to
build
> lutes and
> craft overwound strings could have figured out a way
to
file
> and
> polish
> their nails.
> Jim Stimson
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> -------- Original message --------
> From: John Mardinly
<[3][3][10][14]john.mardi...@asu.edu>
> Date: 5/6/19 6:51 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Roland Hayes
<[4][4][11][15]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>
> Cc: Lute List <[5][5][12][16]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee
> More lacking than glue-on-nails might have been some
of
the
> modern
> files and abrasives used to polish the nails. Badly
prepared
> nails give
> a terrible result for both sound and playability. My
teacher
> back
> in
> 1965 had studied with Segovia, and showed me how
Segovia
> prepared
> his
> nails: after some filing, he used a wooden block
with a
saw-cut
> slot in
> it and a piece of chamois wrapped around the wooden
block.
The
> nail was
> then rubbed back and forth on the chamois over the
slot,
which
> acted as
> a track to guide the nail. When I began to study
metallurgy
and
> the art
> of cross-sectioning and polishing metals to view
their
> microstructure,
> I experienced a revolution in materials to polish
the
nails
> that
> were
> quickly adopted by many people playing with nails.
> A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
>> On May 6, 2019, at 3:34 PM, Roland Hayes
> <[6][6][13][17]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> Do we think he played with nails? Lutenists did not as I
> understand,
>> but
>>
>> I have always thought his lute pieces were merely
> arrangements of
>> guitar/theorbo pieces. For those instruments we can
> establish
> the
> use
>> of nails.
>>
>> And if deVisee played guitar with nails, then he most likely
> played
>> theorbo with nails as well. Yes? Glue on nails had yet to
> arrive on
> the
>> scene.
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