Dear Antonio,
I was also thinking of some musical similarities between Verdelot's
madrigal "Madonna per voi ardo" and Milan's piece. They are admittedly
too vague to suggest that Milan directly used it as a model, but perhaps
as a starting point, or there was some other version of the song that
they both heard. But I think they are enough to at least speculate that
he had some existing Italian setting in mind when composing his own.
Dmitry
On 1/2/2020 7:48 PM, Antonio Corona wrote:
Dear Dmitry
You have a point there: as a matter of fact Milan did set to music poetry by
Petrarch and Sannazaro, but to his music.
Cheers
Antonio
On Thursday, 2 January 2020, 14:24:08 GMT-6, Dmitry Medvedev
<d.p.medve...@gmail.com> wrote:
Ah, sorry, should have read more carefully about sonadas :)
On 1/2/2020 2:51 PM, Dmitry Medvedev wrote:
Fair enough, but should we then assume that, for example, "Madonna per
voi ardo", both text and music, were written by Luis Milan?
Cheers,
Dmitry
On 1/2/2020 1:48 PM, Antonio Corona wrote:
You would do well not to assume that I would state something without
basis.
About authorship:
Libro de musica de vihuela de mano. Intitulado El Maestro [...]
Compuesto por don Luys Milan. [...] Y siguiendo mi inclinacion / he
me hallado vn libro hecho de muchas obras: que de la vihuela tenia
sacadas y escritas [...] si yo solo tuuiese este libro perderia su
valor: pues el dexaria e hazer el prouecho que puede: Y si el me
tuuiese para que ninguno pudiesse gozar del/p[er]deria yo el mio/pues
seria ingrato a quien me dio saber para hazerlo. [...] El qual [i.e.
Milán] muy affectdamente ruega a toso los que por su libro passaran
que no juzguen sus obras hasta que sean tañidas como cada vno querria
que sus obras lo fuessen: y tañidas en su perficion.
About the meaning of "componer":
Estas seys fantasias que se siguen como arriba hos dixe parescen en
su ayre y compostura a las mesmas pauanas que en Ytalia se tañen: y
oues en todo remedan a ellas digamos les pauanas. las quatro primeras
son inuentadas por mi. las dos que se despues se siguen la sonada
dellas se hizo en Ytalia: y la compostura sobre la sonada dellas es mia.
About the villancicos:
Este que agora se sigue es el otauo quaderno de musica para cantar y
tañer [...] En el qual hallareys villancicos y sonadas en castellano
y en portugues y en ytaliano. [i.e. not Portuguese or Italian
villancicos].
Finalmente haueys hallado musica para cantar y tañer en castellano y
en portugues /y en ytaliano.
Esta musica que agora se sigue son villancicos en castellano y
portugues y sonetos en ytaliano.
Aqui empieçan los villancicos en portugues: y este que se sigue segun
esta sonado el cantor pude hazer garganta.
Furthermore, you would find it enlightening to read El cortesano
(1561) by Milan himself, where he displays openly his proclivity for
singing and playing his own works and not those of somebody else, as
well as the poetic interchanges between the vihuelist and Juan
Fernández de Heredia in Las obras de don Ioan Fernandez de Heredia,
assi temporales como espirituales (1562).
On Thursday, 2 January 2020, 06:14:39 GMT-6, Tristan von Neumann
<tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:
Says he himself? Or what is the reason for this assumption?
:)
On 02.01.20 13:03, Antonio Corona wrote:
All the music in El Maestro is by Milán
Cheers
On Thursday, 2 January 2020, 05:54:12 GMT-6, Tristan von Neumann
<tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:
Are you sure?
Aren't those just Milan's versions of the villancicos?
Happy New Year,
T*
On 02.01.20 11:21, Antonio Corona wrote:
Not quite: they are villancicos in Portuguese by Milan himself.
Happy New Year to all,
Antonio
On Wednesday, 1 January 2020, 00:52:50 GMT-6, Frank A.
Gerbode, M.D. <sa...@gerbode.net> wrote:
Luis Milan El Maestro has 3 Portuguese villancicos, #s 34 to 37
[1]here.
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