And that's what it appears to be doing - both cables connected work great with my m100, but the short DVI to system bus part does not respond to anything on my 102.
On Mar 15, 2018 5:36 PM, "Mike Stein" <mhs.st...@gmail.com> wrote: Agreed; we need better pictures ;-) And yes, the insert is definitely confusing. But what's also confusing is that it sounds like it works with an M100 with both cables connected together. I don't see any twists, so I wonder if maybe someone modified the 102/200 cable to remove the twists and turn it into an M100 extension; in that case both cables connected together would work in an M100 but the 102/200 part would not work on the 102. (I think; now *I* am getting confused... ;-) m ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:45 PM *Subject:* Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102 Ah, looking at that insert again, I realize it gives all the answers, except, looking longer, it seems to give wrong answers that don't add up. 1) The 2-part cable came with the 200-compatible system disk, and they both came together as their own package. 2) The drawing seems to say that these are really just two separate cables, not a single two-part cable, and the written directions seem to agree, it's just that they don't quite say it straight out simply like that. But if you do what they say, it ends up resolving out to that. It's just confusing because of several things: * The cables might have shipped connected together, according to the written directions. * The drawing looks like one cable with a break with connectors that mate, the drawing isn't clear enough to show that "the blue connector" doesn't actually look the same or fit into that other cable right next to it. * The directions actually say "the special two-part cable included". So, I *think* this is not a two-part cable at all, just simply plain old, two different cables to work with two different models of computer. One cable is for 102 & 200, the other cable is for 100, and that's it, the cables are never supposed to be connected to each other. Which is why I'd really like to see some clear full close pics of the cables and connectors from different angles, because if this is true, then there should be some funky twists in the wires somewhere, or else these are funky connectors that don't map the wires to the pins the same way every other connector in the world does at least today. On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 5:17 PM, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> wrote: > There is a single sheet insert that came with one of my DVI manuals that > shows a two-part cable, where I think the deal is there's really 3 total > parts, one for 100, one for 102 & 200, and one for the DVI. > I scanned it and uploaded it to Archive.org a few weeks ago. It's a little > paper about the size of a paperback book. Perhaps these came later along > with the 100/200 version of the system disk? Maybe the mid-way connector > performs the twists? > > https://archive.org/details/DVI263806Notice > > I too would like specifically more and clearer pictures of the cables, > especially the connectors. Not the DVI itself. There are lot's of DVI's out > there and I have 2 myself. But the original cables are mostly gone and > there are not really even any pictures of the cables and connectors that > are good enough to trace the conductors right to the pins, and see all > possible manufacturing marks, like you could if you had one in your hands > one in your hands. > > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 12:43 PM, Mike Stein <mhs.st...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Where did you read about a two-part 100 cable? >> >> Nice pictures but it's hard to tell how many cables there are, what >> connector belongs to which cable, and how you're connecting them. >> >> Does the cable with the male plug that plugs into the 102 and 200 have >> the swapped wires as shown in Brian's Wiki? >> >> m >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> >> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com >> *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2018 7:20 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102 >> >> Looks like what I thought was a 102 cable was just the two-part 100 >> cable. I guess reading helps... >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 6:02 AM, Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> OK, I think I spoke too soon. The DVI is working fine, but I can't get >>> any of my 102s to respond, connected to that cable. >>> >>> The 100 that came with the DVI has a cable glued on to the bottom from >>> the system socket, and same type of connector on the other end as 102 >>> system bus. When I connect the 102-looking cable from the DVI and the cable >>> on the 100 together, everything works together. >>> >>> I guess I still need a cable for the 102... >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 7:55 PM, Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> :) Ok, maybe not 50, but I'll take some. Here are a few while I'm >>>> working on cleaning it: >>>> >>>> https://1drv.ms/f/s!AiOtw8Sr4zlvgaBRTB4K9WCxOOmoeQ >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:39 PM, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Can you take about 50 very clear pictures of both cables and >>>>> connectors please? :) >>>>> >>>>> We have the info to create new cables that function, but I still would >>>>> really like to see the details of the original cables & connectors up >>>>> close >>>>> and clear just for reference. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> bkw >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 10:07 PM Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ok, I'm in Tandy 100 heaven right now :) Just got my eBay package, >>>>>> and despite horrendous packaging, everything survived. Taking inventory, >>>>>> I >>>>>> got a beautiful looking DVI, manual, disk BASIC on 5 1/4" disk, and BOTH >>>>>> cables, one for 100 and one for 102! Almost afraid to turn it on, but >>>>>> that >>>>>> will have to wait until tomorrow when I have a minute to myself... >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The strain relief clip specifically I mean, when you snap all 3 >>>>>>> parts of an idc connector together with no cable, the strain relief bar >>>>>>> forms a thin slot exactly the size and shape to fit a ribbon cable >>>>>>> through. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I use that to flip 2 wires over, inser into slot, flip next 2 wires, >>>>>>> insert into slot, ... until all 20 pairs are in the slot. Then get them >>>>>>> all >>>>>>> into the male connector and crimp it. Then pick apart, or just break off >>>>>>> the female connector that was just used as a jig to hold the wires in >>>>>>> place. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> bkw >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018, 10:50 AM Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://tandy.wiki/Disk/Video_Interface >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's a pain but it's doable. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The pictures there don't show the process, only the final result >>>>>>>> unfortunately. I used a sacrificial 40pin female idc connector with the >>>>>>>> strain relief clip as a guide to hold all the split & twisted wires >>>>>>>> into a >>>>>>>> flat ribbon so that you can get them all arranged into the male 40pin >>>>>>>> idc >>>>>>>> connector. I use a Panavise to crimp, not any official crimping tool. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But by clicking on the pics to get the full size ones, you can see >>>>>>>> what you need to do. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018, 7:44 AM Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just snagged a DVI off of eBay, and my understanding is that it >>>>>>>>> needs a different cable between 100 and 102. Since the auction has a >>>>>>>>> 100 >>>>>>>>> bundled, I want to get/make the right cable for my 102s. Does anyone >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> instructions, info, etc on how to do so? Or a place where I can buy >>>>>>>>> one? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> > > > -- > bkw > -- bkw
