Ok, I lied, sneaked in to take few pix before dinner night out... Enjoy, and let me know if you want me to take any other angle!
https://1drv.ms/f/s!AiOtw8Sr4zlvgaBRTB4K9WCxOOmoeQ On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 7:26 PM, Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> wrote: > And that's what it appears to be doing - both cables connected work great > with my m100, but the short DVI to system bus part does not respond to > anything on my 102. > > > On Mar 15, 2018 5:36 PM, "Mike Stein" <mhs.st...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Agreed; we need better pictures ;-) > > And yes, the insert is definitely confusing. > > But what's also confusing is that it sounds like it works with an M100 > with both cables connected together. I don't see any twists, so I wonder if > maybe someone modified the 102/200 cable to remove the twists and turn it > into an M100 extension; in that case both cables connected together would > work in an M100 but the 102/200 part would not work on the 102. > > (I think; now *I* am getting confused... ;-) > > m > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> > *To:* m...@bitchin100.com > *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:45 PM > *Subject:* Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102 > > Ah, looking at that insert again, I realize it gives all the answers, > except, looking longer, it seems to give wrong answers that don't add up. > > 1) The 2-part cable came with the 200-compatible system disk, and they > both came together as their own package. > > 2) The drawing seems to say that these are really just two separate > cables, not a single two-part cable, and the written directions seem to > agree, it's just that they don't quite say it straight out simply like > that. But if you do what they say, it ends up resolving out to that. > > It's just confusing because of several things: > > * The cables might have shipped connected together, according to the > written directions. > * The drawing looks like one cable with a break with connectors that mate, > the drawing isn't clear enough to show that "the blue connector" doesn't > actually look the same or fit into that other cable right next to it. > * The directions actually say "the special two-part cable included". > > So, I *think* this is not a two-part cable at all, just simply plain old, > two different cables to work with two different models of computer. > One cable is for 102 & 200, the other cable is for 100, and that's it, the > cables are never supposed to be connected to each other. > > Which is why I'd really like to see some clear full close pics of the > cables and connectors from different angles, because if this is true, then > there should be some funky twists in the wires somewhere, or else these are > funky connectors that don't map the wires to the pins the same way every > other connector in the world does at least today. > > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 5:17 PM, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> There is a single sheet insert that came with one of my DVI manuals that >> shows a two-part cable, where I think the deal is there's really 3 total >> parts, one for 100, one for 102 & 200, and one for the DVI. >> I scanned it and uploaded it to Archive.org a few weeks ago. It's a >> little paper about the size of a paperback book. Perhaps these came later >> along with the 100/200 version of the system disk? Maybe the mid-way >> connector performs the twists? >> >> https://archive.org/details/DVI263806Notice >> >> I too would like specifically more and clearer pictures of the cables, >> especially the connectors. Not the DVI itself. There are lot's of DVI's out >> there and I have 2 myself. But the original cables are mostly gone and >> there are not really even any pictures of the cables and connectors that >> are good enough to trace the conductors right to the pins, and see all >> possible manufacturing marks, like you could if you had one in your hands >> one in your hands. >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 12:43 PM, Mike Stein <mhs.st...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Where did you read about a two-part 100 cable? >>> >>> Nice pictures but it's hard to tell how many cables there are, what >>> connector belongs to which cable, and how you're connecting them. >>> >>> Does the cable with the male plug that plugs into the 102 and 200 have >>> the swapped wires as shown in Brian's Wiki? >>> >>> m >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> >>> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com >>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2018 7:20 AM >>> *Subject:* Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102 >>> >>> Looks like what I thought was a 102 cable was just the two-part 100 >>> cable. I guess reading helps... >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 6:02 AM, Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> OK, I think I spoke too soon. The DVI is working fine, but I can't get >>>> any of my 102s to respond, connected to that cable. >>>> >>>> The 100 that came with the DVI has a cable glued on to the bottom from >>>> the system socket, and same type of connector on the other end as 102 >>>> system bus. When I connect the 102-looking cable from the DVI and the cable >>>> on the 100 together, everything works together. >>>> >>>> I guess I still need a cable for the 102... >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 7:55 PM, Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> :) Ok, maybe not 50, but I'll take some. Here are a few while I'm >>>>> working on cleaning it: >>>>> >>>>> https://1drv.ms/f/s!AiOtw8Sr4zlvgaBRTB4K9WCxOOmoeQ >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:39 PM, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Can you take about 50 very clear pictures of both cables and >>>>>> connectors please? :) >>>>>> >>>>>> We have the info to create new cables that function, but I still >>>>>> would really like to see the details of the original cables & connectors >>>>>> up >>>>>> close and clear just for reference. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> bkw >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 10:07 PM Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Ok, I'm in Tandy 100 heaven right now :) Just got my eBay package, >>>>>>> and despite horrendous packaging, everything survived. Taking >>>>>>> inventory, I >>>>>>> got a beautiful looking DVI, manual, disk BASIC on 5 1/4" disk, and BOTH >>>>>>> cables, one for 100 and one for 102! Almost afraid to turn it on, but >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> will have to wait until tomorrow when I have a minute to myself... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The strain relief clip specifically I mean, when you snap all 3 >>>>>>>> parts of an idc connector together with no cable, the strain relief bar >>>>>>>> forms a thin slot exactly the size and shape to fit a ribbon cable >>>>>>>> through. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I use that to flip 2 wires over, inser into slot, flip next 2 >>>>>>>> wires, insert into slot, ... until all 20 pairs are in the slot. Then >>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>> them all into the male connector and crimp it. Then pick apart, or just >>>>>>>> break off the female connector that was just used as a jig to hold the >>>>>>>> wires in place. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> bkw >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018, 10:50 AM Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://tandy.wiki/Disk/Video_Interface >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's a pain but it's doable. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The pictures there don't show the process, only the final result >>>>>>>>> unfortunately. I used a sacrificial 40pin female idc connector with >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> strain relief clip as a guide to hold all the split & twisted wires >>>>>>>>> into a >>>>>>>>> flat ribbon so that you can get them all arranged into the male 40pin >>>>>>>>> idc >>>>>>>>> connector. I use a Panavise to crimp, not any official crimping tool. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But by clicking on the pics to get the full size ones, you can see >>>>>>>>> what you need to do. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018, 7:44 AM Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Just snagged a DVI off of eBay, and my understanding is that it >>>>>>>>>> needs a different cable between 100 and 102. Since the auction has a >>>>>>>>>> 100 >>>>>>>>>> bundled, I want to get/make the right cable for my 102s. Does anyone >>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>> instructions, info, etc on how to do so? Or a place where I can buy >>>>>>>>>> one? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> bkw >> > > > > -- > bkw > > >
