Probably someone ends up with 3 cables because probably a single long, 100-only cable (and a 100-only system disk) came with the DVI, and the two short ones came later with the 100/200 system disk.
On Fri, Mar 16, 2018, 6:57 AM Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> wrote: > None have any twisted pairs - both the long cable and two short cables > that connect together are straight through. > > Interesting trivia - found a resume on a disk that came with it - > apparently this unit belonged to a Radio Shack store manager in OH in the > mid 80s :) > > Let me know if you guys need me to take any other pictures, I'll be happy > to help. And if someone wants to build me a 102 cable, I'll pay for it! > > Thanks! > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Mike Stein <mhs.st...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> A *third*cable?!? >> >> Do any of them have twisted pairs like this or are they all straight >> through by any chance?: >> >> [image: File:T200 DVI Cable Original Plug 1.jpg] >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> *From:* Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> >> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com >> *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:24 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102 >> >> Ok, I'll get serious with the pictures tomorrow or Saturday. >> >> What I have is one cable that's attached to m100, with a custom trap door >> for the system socket, and that cable is just long enough to stick out 1/4 >> inch out past the back. >> >> I have a second cable that connects to that cable, then to the DVI. >> Together they are only slightly longer than the 3rd cable - from m100 >> socket to DVI. >> >> On Mar 15, 2018 5:36 PM, "Mike Stein" <mhs.st...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Agreed; we need better pictures ;-) >>> >>> And yes, the insert is definitely confusing. >>> >>> But what's also confusing is that it sounds like it works with an M100 >>> with both cables connected together. I don't see any twists, so I wonder if >>> maybe someone modified the 102/200 cable to remove the twists and turn it >>> into an M100 extension; in that case both cables connected together would >>> work in an M100 but the 102/200 part would not work on the 102. >>> >>> (I think; now *I* am getting confused... ;-) >>> >>> m >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> >>> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com >>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:45 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102 >>> >>> Ah, looking at that insert again, I realize it gives all the answers, >>> except, looking longer, it seems to give wrong answers that don't add up. >>> >>> 1) The 2-part cable came with the 200-compatible system disk, and they >>> both came together as their own package. >>> >>> 2) The drawing seems to say that these are really just two separate >>> cables, not a single two-part cable, and the written directions seem to >>> agree, it's just that they don't quite say it straight out simply like >>> that. But if you do what they say, it ends up resolving out to that. >>> >>> It's just confusing because of several things: >>> >>> * The cables might have shipped connected together, according to the >>> written directions. >>> * The drawing looks like one cable with a break with connectors that >>> mate, the drawing isn't clear enough to show that "the blue connector" >>> doesn't actually look the same or fit into that other cable right next to >>> it. >>> * The directions actually say "the special two-part cable included". >>> >>> So, I *think* this is not a two-part cable at all, just simply plain >>> old, two different cables to work with two different models of computer. >>> One cable is for 102 & 200, the other cable is for 100, and that's it, >>> the cables are never supposed to be connected to each other. >>> >>> Which is why I'd really like to see some clear full close pics of the >>> cables and connectors from different angles, because if this is true, then >>> there should be some funky twists in the wires somewhere, or else these are >>> funky connectors that don't map the wires to the pins the same way every >>> other connector in the world does at least today. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 5:17 PM, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> There is a single sheet insert that came with one of my DVI manuals >>>> that shows a two-part cable, where I think the deal is there's really 3 >>>> total parts, one for 100, one for 102 & 200, and one for the DVI. >>>> I scanned it and uploaded it to Archive.org a few weeks ago. It's a >>>> little paper about the size of a paperback book. Perhaps these came later >>>> along with the 100/200 version of the system disk? Maybe the mid-way >>>> connector performs the twists? >>>> >>>> https://archive.org/details/DVI263806Notice >>>> >>>> I too would like specifically more and clearer pictures of the cables, >>>> especially the connectors. Not the DVI itself. There are lot's of DVI's out >>>> there and I have 2 myself. But the original cables are mostly gone and >>>> there are not really even any pictures of the cables and connectors that >>>> are good enough to trace the conductors right to the pins, and see all >>>> possible manufacturing marks, like you could if you had one in your hands >>>> one in your hands. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 12:43 PM, Mike Stein <mhs.st...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Where did you read about a two-part 100 cable? >>>>> >>>>> Nice pictures but it's hard to tell how many cables there are, what >>>>> connector belongs to which cable, and how you're connecting them. >>>>> >>>>> Does the cable with the male plug that plugs into the 102 and 200 have >>>>> the swapped wires as shown in Brian's Wiki? >>>>> >>>>> m >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> *From:* Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> >>>>> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2018 7:20 AM >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102 >>>>> >>>>> Looks like what I thought was a 102 cable was just the two-part 100 >>>>> cable. I guess reading helps... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 6:02 AM, Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> OK, I think I spoke too soon. The DVI is working fine, but I can't >>>>>> get any of my 102s to respond, connected to that cable. >>>>>> >>>>>> The 100 that came with the DVI has a cable glued on to the bottom >>>>>> from the system socket, and same type of connector on the other end as >>>>>> 102 >>>>>> system bus. When I connect the 102-looking cable from the DVI and the >>>>>> cable >>>>>> on the 100 together, everything works together. >>>>>> >>>>>> I guess I still need a cable for the 102... >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 7:55 PM, Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> :) Ok, maybe not 50, but I'll take some. Here are a few while I'm >>>>>>> working on cleaning it: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://1drv.ms/f/s!AiOtw8Sr4zlvgaBRTB4K9WCxOOmoeQ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:39 PM, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Can you take about 50 very clear pictures of both cables and >>>>>>>> connectors please? :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We have the info to create new cables that function, but I still >>>>>>>> would really like to see the details of the original cables & >>>>>>>> connectors up >>>>>>>> close and clear just for reference. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> bkw >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 10:07 PM Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ok, I'm in Tandy 100 heaven right now :) Just got my eBay package, >>>>>>>>> and despite horrendous packaging, everything survived. Taking >>>>>>>>> inventory, I >>>>>>>>> got a beautiful looking DVI, manual, disk BASIC on 5 1/4" disk, and >>>>>>>>> BOTH >>>>>>>>> cables, one for 100 and one for 102! Almost afraid to turn it on, but >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> will have to wait until tomorrow when I have a minute to myself... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The strain relief clip specifically I mean, when you snap all 3 >>>>>>>>>> parts of an idc connector together with no cable, the strain relief >>>>>>>>>> bar >>>>>>>>>> forms a thin slot exactly the size and shape to fit a ribbon cable >>>>>>>>>> through. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I use that to flip 2 wires over, inser into slot, flip next 2 >>>>>>>>>> wires, insert into slot, ... until all 20 pairs are in the slot. >>>>>>>>>> Then get >>>>>>>>>> them all into the male connector and crimp it. Then pick apart, or >>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>> break off the female connector that was just used as a jig to hold >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> wires in place. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> bkw >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018, 10:50 AM Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://tandy.wiki/Disk/Video_Interface >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It's a pain but it's doable. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The pictures there don't show the process, only the final result >>>>>>>>>>> unfortunately. I used a sacrificial 40pin female idc connector with >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> strain relief clip as a guide to hold all the split & twisted >>>>>>>>>>> wires into a >>>>>>>>>>> flat ribbon so that you can get them all arranged into the male >>>>>>>>>>> 40pin idc >>>>>>>>>>> connector. I use a Panavise to crimp, not any official crimping >>>>>>>>>>> tool. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> But by clicking on the pics to get the full size ones, you can >>>>>>>>>>> see what you need to do. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018, 7:44 AM Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Just snagged a DVI off of eBay, and my understanding is that it >>>>>>>>>>>> needs a different cable between 100 and 102. Since the auction has >>>>>>>>>>>> a 100 >>>>>>>>>>>> bundled, I want to get/make the right cable for my 102s. Does >>>>>>>>>>>> anyone have >>>>>>>>>>>> instructions, info, etc on how to do so? Or a place where I can >>>>>>>>>>>> buy one? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> bkw >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> bkw >>> >>> >
