None have any twisted pairs - both the long cable and two short cables that connect together are straight through.
Interesting trivia - found a resume on a disk that came with it - apparently this unit belonged to a Radio Shack store manager in OH in the mid 80s :) Let me know if you guys need me to take any other pictures, I'll be happy to help. And if someone wants to build me a 102 cable, I'll pay for it! Thanks! On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Mike Stein <mhs.st...@gmail.com> wrote: > A *third*cable?!? > > Do any of them have twisted pairs like this or are they all straight > through by any chance?: > > [image: File:T200 DVI Cable Original Plug 1.jpg] > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> > *To:* m...@bitchin100.com > *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:24 PM > *Subject:* Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102 > > Ok, I'll get serious with the pictures tomorrow or Saturday. > > What I have is one cable that's attached to m100, with a custom trap door > for the system socket, and that cable is just long enough to stick out 1/4 > inch out past the back. > > I have a second cable that connects to that cable, then to the DVI. > Together they are only slightly longer than the 3rd cable - from m100 > socket to DVI. > > On Mar 15, 2018 5:36 PM, "Mike Stein" <mhs.st...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Agreed; we need better pictures ;-) >> >> And yes, the insert is definitely confusing. >> >> But what's also confusing is that it sounds like it works with an M100 >> with both cables connected together. I don't see any twists, so I wonder if >> maybe someone modified the 102/200 cable to remove the twists and turn it >> into an M100 extension; in that case both cables connected together would >> work in an M100 but the 102/200 part would not work on the 102. >> >> (I think; now *I* am getting confused... ;-) >> >> m >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> >> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com >> *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2018 5:45 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102 >> >> Ah, looking at that insert again, I realize it gives all the answers, >> except, looking longer, it seems to give wrong answers that don't add up. >> >> 1) The 2-part cable came with the 200-compatible system disk, and they >> both came together as their own package. >> >> 2) The drawing seems to say that these are really just two separate >> cables, not a single two-part cable, and the written directions seem to >> agree, it's just that they don't quite say it straight out simply like >> that. But if you do what they say, it ends up resolving out to that. >> >> It's just confusing because of several things: >> >> * The cables might have shipped connected together, according to the >> written directions. >> * The drawing looks like one cable with a break with connectors that >> mate, the drawing isn't clear enough to show that "the blue connector" >> doesn't actually look the same or fit into that other cable right next to >> it. >> * The directions actually say "the special two-part cable included". >> >> So, I *think* this is not a two-part cable at all, just simply plain old, >> two different cables to work with two different models of computer. >> One cable is for 102 & 200, the other cable is for 100, and that's it, >> the cables are never supposed to be connected to each other. >> >> Which is why I'd really like to see some clear full close pics of the >> cables and connectors from different angles, because if this is true, then >> there should be some funky twists in the wires somewhere, or else these are >> funky connectors that don't map the wires to the pins the same way every >> other connector in the world does at least today. >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 5:17 PM, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> There is a single sheet insert that came with one of my DVI manuals that >>> shows a two-part cable, where I think the deal is there's really 3 total >>> parts, one for 100, one for 102 & 200, and one for the DVI. >>> I scanned it and uploaded it to Archive.org a few weeks ago. It's a >>> little paper about the size of a paperback book. Perhaps these came later >>> along with the 100/200 version of the system disk? Maybe the mid-way >>> connector performs the twists? >>> >>> https://archive.org/details/DVI263806Notice >>> >>> I too would like specifically more and clearer pictures of the cables, >>> especially the connectors. Not the DVI itself. There are lot's of DVI's out >>> there and I have 2 myself. But the original cables are mostly gone and >>> there are not really even any pictures of the cables and connectors that >>> are good enough to trace the conductors right to the pins, and see all >>> possible manufacturing marks, like you could if you had one in your hands >>> one in your hands. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 12:43 PM, Mike Stein <mhs.st...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Where did you read about a two-part 100 cable? >>>> >>>> Nice pictures but it's hard to tell how many cables there are, what >>>> connector belongs to which cable, and how you're connecting them. >>>> >>>> Does the cable with the male plug that plugs into the 102 and 200 have >>>> the swapped wires as shown in Brian's Wiki? >>>> >>>> m >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> *From:* Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> >>>> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2018 7:20 AM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [M100] DVI cable for 102 >>>> >>>> Looks like what I thought was a 102 cable was just the two-part 100 >>>> cable. I guess reading helps... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 6:02 AM, Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> OK, I think I spoke too soon. The DVI is working fine, but I can't get >>>>> any of my 102s to respond, connected to that cable. >>>>> >>>>> The 100 that came with the DVI has a cable glued on to the bottom from >>>>> the system socket, and same type of connector on the other end as 102 >>>>> system bus. When I connect the 102-looking cable from the DVI and the >>>>> cable >>>>> on the 100 together, everything works together. >>>>> >>>>> I guess I still need a cable for the 102... >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 7:55 PM, Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> :) Ok, maybe not 50, but I'll take some. Here are a few while I'm >>>>>> working on cleaning it: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://1drv.ms/f/s!AiOtw8Sr4zlvgaBRTB4K9WCxOOmoeQ >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:39 PM, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Can you take about 50 very clear pictures of both cables and >>>>>>> connectors please? :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We have the info to create new cables that function, but I still >>>>>>> would really like to see the details of the original cables & >>>>>>> connectors up >>>>>>> close and clear just for reference. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> bkw >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 10:07 PM Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ok, I'm in Tandy 100 heaven right now :) Just got my eBay package, >>>>>>>> and despite horrendous packaging, everything survived. Taking >>>>>>>> inventory, I >>>>>>>> got a beautiful looking DVI, manual, disk BASIC on 5 1/4" disk, and >>>>>>>> BOTH >>>>>>>> cables, one for 100 and one for 102! Almost afraid to turn it on, but >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> will have to wait until tomorrow when I have a minute to myself... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The strain relief clip specifically I mean, when you snap all 3 >>>>>>>>> parts of an idc connector together with no cable, the strain relief >>>>>>>>> bar >>>>>>>>> forms a thin slot exactly the size and shape to fit a ribbon cable >>>>>>>>> through. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I use that to flip 2 wires over, inser into slot, flip next 2 >>>>>>>>> wires, insert into slot, ... until all 20 pairs are in the slot. Then >>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>> them all into the male connector and crimp it. Then pick apart, or >>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>> break off the female connector that was just used as a jig to hold the >>>>>>>>> wires in place. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> bkw >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018, 10:50 AM Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://tandy.wiki/Disk/Video_Interface >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It's a pain but it's doable. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The pictures there don't show the process, only the final result >>>>>>>>>> unfortunately. I used a sacrificial 40pin female idc connector with >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> strain relief clip as a guide to hold all the split & twisted wires >>>>>>>>>> into a >>>>>>>>>> flat ribbon so that you can get them all arranged into the male >>>>>>>>>> 40pin idc >>>>>>>>>> connector. I use a Panavise to crimp, not any official crimping tool. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But by clicking on the pics to get the full size ones, you can >>>>>>>>>> see what you need to do. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018, 7:44 AM Chris Kmiec <ckmi...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Just snagged a DVI off of eBay, and my understanding is that it >>>>>>>>>>> needs a different cable between 100 and 102. Since the auction has >>>>>>>>>>> a 100 >>>>>>>>>>> bundled, I want to get/make the right cable for my 102s. Does >>>>>>>>>>> anyone have >>>>>>>>>>> instructions, info, etc on how to do so? Or a place where I can buy >>>>>>>>>>> one? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> bkw >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> bkw >> >>
