I think I've seen BASIC 80 before but couldn't say where so it might be imagination. But the main system rom on the 8201 or 8300 or both does say N82 on it. I think the manuals say it too.
bkw On Thu, Oct 6, 2022, 10:12 AM B 9 <hacke...@gmail.com> wrote: > It is definitely an "Operating System", not just "BASIC". > > - It hides device drivers behind nice interfaces. For example, just by > changing the filename prefix one can save a file to a RAM disk filesystem, > the serial port, a cassette tape, or even the printer. > - As a file grows in the RAM disk, behind the scenes, the system is > constantly moving other files around in memory to make room. > - Memory is dynamically partitioned so that the RAM disk coexists with > the RAM used as working memory by programs. > - And of course it has all the nice utilities like the point-and-click > file browser, serial terminal, and an editor which isn't half bad even by > today's standards. > > I've been wondering what this Model T / Kyotronic / NEC operating system > was called. I saw somebody referring to it as "BASIC-85", but I'm pretty > sure that's wrong. Recently, Bill Gates' Model 100 was auctioned > <https://www.rrauction.com/auctions/lot-detail/346156206445053-bill-gates-personally-used-trs-80-model-100-computer-with-autograph-note-signed/> > and the details referred to the firmware system he and Jey Suzuki wrote as > *"Microsoft’s > N82 BASIC 80 programming software"*. That's a term I've never heard > before. Has anyone else? > > —b9 > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 5:04 PM Brian K. White <b.kenyo...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> On 9/29/22 17:52, Tommy Phillips wrote: >> > A BASIC operating environment doesn't really meet the definition of >> > "operating system". >> >> It is literally, the operating system of that device. There is no >> particular set of features that defines "operating system". The literal >> and only definition of operating system is the system that operates the >> device. >> >> >> > But maybe I am being too pedantic. It wouldn't be the first time. >> > >> > On 9/29/2022 2:29 PM, Peter Vollan wrote: >> >> Huh? The Model 100 says "Copyr. 1983 Microsoft" when you go into >> >> basic. It is common knowledge that Bill wrote the OS himself. >> >> >> >> On Thu, 29 Sept 2022 at 09:08, Tommy Phillips >> >> <to...@tommyphillips.info> wrote: >> >> >> >> ... and if I recall correctly, the Model 16 ran Xenix, thus being >> >> the only TRS-80 to run an O/S from Microsoft. >> >> >> >> This, of course, was years before Linux. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 9/29/2022 9:04 AM, Chris Trainor wrote: >> >>> >> >>> But still mostly a brand… the basis for the 80 was the Z80 in >> >>> their early stuff, but like the Model 16 had a 68k in it. 😊 >> >>> Plus even tho the II had a Z80 like the I, III & IV, I thought >> >>> operationally it was substantially different and none of the >> >>> I/III/IV stuff would work on it? (never used one, remember my >> >>> grandfather having one at work, but that’s it) . Plus the 2 & >> >>> 12 were very similar, but the 16, meant to be an ‘upgrade’ from >> >>> the 12 was way different (being 68k based like Apple/Amiga >> >>> products, but not as ‘hip’ as those 😊 ) >> >>> >> >>> --Chris >> >>> >> >>> *From:* M100 <m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com> >> >>> <mailto:m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com> *On Behalf Of *Justin >> >>> Poirier >> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 29, 2022 8:04 AM >> >>> *To:* m100@lists.bitchin100.com >> >>> *Subject:* Re: [M100] is the m100 a trs-80? In walks like a, not >> >>> is categorized as a >> >>> >> >>> TRS-80 starts for "Tandy Radio Shack" and "Z80 microprocessor." >> >>> The M100/T102/T200 have an Intel 80C51 microcontroller, not a >> >>> Zilog Z80, like the Model I, II, III, IV had, and even worse the >> >>> TRS-80 Color Computers have a Motorola 6809, so even in >> >>> themselves, they were not consistent in sticking to their own >> brand. >> >>> >> >>> --Justin >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, 2022-09-28 at 17:09 -0400, chri...@macross.com wrote: >> >>> >> >>> TRS80 is a brand. There are substantial differences between >> >>> the different models for the most part. Especially ones like >> >>> the Model II. The 1, 3 and 4 had some limited compatibility >> >>> but stuff written for one wouldn't necessarily work in the >> >>> other. (Except that in theory you could boot a 4 into 3 mode >> >>> to run 3 apps, but that wasn't really 'compatible' ). So >> >>> the 100 and 102 (where brand changed to Tandy) are like the >> >>> rest and different :). >> >>> >> >>> Oh and don't forget the whole color computer series was >> >>> vastly different from the gray box models :) >> >>> >> >>> --Chris >> >>> >> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>> >> >>> *From:* M100 <m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com> on behalf of >> >>> Will Senn <will.s...@gmail.com> >> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 5:04 PM >> >>> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com <m...@bitchin100.com> >> >>> *Subject:* [M100] is the m100 a trs-80? In walks like a, not >> >>> is categorized as a >> >>> >> >>> I've been reading around a bit (all over the world actually) >> >>> and there's a lot of stuff written about and for the >> >>> TRS-80... as though it's a machine, not a designation. I >> >>> wonder, just how close is an m100 to these TRS-80's (Model 1, >> >>> 2, 3, etc)? Should I concentrate on stuff that's written >> >>> specifically about the M100? Or, will any old TRS-80 book or >> >>> magazine or zine (TRS8BIT) do? It's pretty confusing. >> >>> >> >>> I do realize that there are significant differences in >> >>> hardware and screen stuff - color, res, etc. But by and large >> >>> is an m100 a "TRS-80" in that I can reuse code from one to >> >>> the other comfortably (sans specific hardware references), or >> >>> should I not waste my time? >> >>> >> >>> Looking for insight and reading material for M100 enthusiasts. >> >>> >> >>> Will >> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Tommy Phillips >> >> >> >> to...@tommyphillips.info >> >> 303-981-4310 >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > Tommy Phillips >> > >> > to...@tommyphillips.info >> > 303-981-4310 >> > >> >> -- >> bkw >> >>
