wow, that article and the others linked from there are quite enlightening. I hate to help create a monoculture and single supplier and overlord, but it looks like Bing and all of it's resellers should just not be used.
That really sucks because I really hate how much power g already has. You'd think Bing or any search engine should want to accept reports from any random user not just site owners, and it shouldn't matter if a site owner is willing to satisfy them. It is valuable to some site owners to be listed, so for some there may be that power dynamic where the engine may dictate to sites and sites will perform. But what about the users? The engine purports to be providing a service of search results to me a searching user. So in the apparently polyanna fantasy world I should be able to say to Bing "hey, bug report, here is some stuff on the net that you're failing to show" and they should consider that a problem just based on that logic, regardless whether the site owner cares to have any special relationship with Bing. It's almost like Bing doesn't show you what exists, it just shows you the sites that pay to be seen. Not literally in money but in cooperation in whatever kind of user manipulation game they are playing. I know google exerts the same sort of editorial control themselves though, so, it's not like they're really any better in principle. -- bkw On Sat, Nov 12, 2022, 1:16 AM John R. Hogerhuis <jho...@pobox.com> wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 7:21 PM Brian K. White <b.kenyo...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> On 11/11/22 18:59, B 9 wrote: >> > On a tangent: I need to work on my searching skills. It occurred to me >> a >> > while ago that the Tandy 200 schematic looked like the RTS/CTS lines >> > were fully wired, but when I searched for things like "model 100 serial >> > port rts cts", I never saw that page... Oh! Wait. The problem may have >> > been that I was googling with DuckDuckGo. I'm able to get >> bitchin100.com >> > <http://bitchin100.com> as the first result when I search for "model >> 100 >> > uart", but only on Google. >> >> >> I have noticed this for probably 2 or more years now. I've been meaning >> to say something but never did. It's like bitchin100 is blacklisted on >> DDG, (and thus, probably on Bing too). Not only do none of the wiki >> pages show up, even if you search for literally "bitchin100.com", you >> can scroll for pages and pages of results forever and never get a single >> link to any bitchin100.com url, only references to it in other pages, >> mostly archived mail list posts on Narkive. >> >> > I don't know. I only ever search on Google. The progression for me was > Gopher, then Altavista, Yahoo, and now Google. Each better than the last, > haven't felt any compelling need to switch again. Privacy? That ship has > sailed, went into orbit, crashed into the an asteroid, merged with > alien spores and is sentient. > > And DDG/Bing already don't like me, so... > > Maybe Dreamhost IPs are the issue? > > As to spammers, some spam was loaded onto the wiki at some point, but it > wasn't there very long and I cleaned it up. I think it probably predates > DDG and Bing, and Google has never cared. But that spam attack is why I > make accounts upon request from members. > > URL rewriting... I could do that. But I don't see how it would help. I > cannot think of a URL scheme that you could easily infer article titles. > > Most of Bitchin100 is the wiki. To link, I type bitchin100.com/wiki into > my url bar, then search in the mediawiki search, find the result, and then > copy and paste the URL. > > "tandy.wiki/REX" > > Most of the articles on bitchin100 have longer titles. > > B100 links are like > > bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=Model_100_Serial_Interface > > rewriting I guess could skip the "wiki/index.php?title=" boilerplate. > > But you'd still need memorize the exact article title... 9/10 I'd end up > having to search anyway... so I don't see the difference. > > > Here's an interesting article on Bing/DDG > > > https://www.jessesquires.com/blog/2022/03/25/my-website-disappeared-from-bing-and-duckduckgo/ > > Sounds like Bing is the way to get your site into DDG. > > -- John. >
