I prefer Eloquence to the more human sounding synths, as they perform better at faster rates, and it allows me some privacy, as most sighted folks don't learn to understand the speech at a faster rate. Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: "michael maslo" <mmaslo1...@swbell.net> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" <mac-access@mac-access.net> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 9:27 PM Subject: Re: Switching to a mac eloquence is no where as clear a alex. I can't believe someone may think that. Eloquence to me is so computer sounding and unreal. On Jan 15, 2012, at 2:28 PM, Daniel McGee wrote: > Indeed Chris, for the most part I find Alex nice to listen to but now and > then I get a word that he doesn't pronounce promptly. Where as eloquence > just seems more natural sounding in saying words correctly. > Chris I am curious since you have and I device which voice do you use for > it. See when I got one a couple of years ago I simply didn't understand > and still possibly won't the nuance english voices which frustrates me > because I really want to use an I device but can't because of this voice > problem. > > Daniel > On 15 Jan 2012, at 17:15, chris hallsworth wrote: > >> Interesting Daniel, I am hearing impaired as well and it appears I can >> understand Alex very well. Of course speech synthesis is very subjective, >> so what may suit one may not necessarily suit the other. >> >> On 15/01/2012 15:09, Daniel McGee wrote: >>> Chris a useful resource that I recommend checking out is >>> www.macfortheblind.com >>> >>> Hopefully you should enjoy that site. >>> I love my Mac and I would love to get an iPhone but the voices i just >>> don't simply understand them and the touch screen doesn't really appeal >>> to me. >>> The only thing I wish I could have on the Mac and IOS is elquance. If I >>> had this I wouldn't go back to windows and before anyone asks this is >>> not a blindness desire but is more needed for my hearing impairment. So >>> if that day comes around I will be jumping around like crazy. So for >>> now I use both platforms because of the above situation I have. >>> >>> Good luck with your research. Oh and by the way I brought a 13 inch Mac >>> Book Pro. >>> Just as a side note when I went the Apple store in blue water I noticed >>> that the Mac Book Air has two USB ports which is the same as the Mac >>> Book Pro. so all you need to think about is do you want a CD-ROM drive >>> or not. Obviously I chose that but I don't know how much they are going >>> to be around in Apple's line up of computers. Just so you know that. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Daniel >>> On 15 Jan 2012, at 13:00, David Griffith wrote: >>> >>>> I have had no need to use anything else but Preview, and reading has >>>> been >>>> easy with this, but on the Mac you are spoilt for choice with PDF >>>> reading. >>>> There are several programs available. So much so that PDF, which is a >>>> real >>>> pain on the Windows side is a very reasonable format on the Mac side. >>>> Of >>>> course if the PDF is graphic based and has no text then VO will >>>> struggle. >>>> The robobraille file conversion can handle most of these graphics based >>>> documents but I tend to duck back into Fusion and Kurzweil for these. >>>> >>>> David Griffith >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net >>>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of chris >>>> hallsworth >>>> Sent: 15 January 2012 00:29 >>>> To: Mac OSX& iOS Accessibility >>>> Subject: Re: Switching to a mac >>>> >>>> So David, can you read PDFs fine on the mac? If so what app do you use? >>>> I have heard of Preview, does this work well with VoiceOver? I suspect >>>> it >>>> does since it is built in, but no harm in asking is there. >>>> >>>> On 14/01/2012 23:18, David Griffith wrote: >>>>> I am sure that the Mac will provide a good experience for all the >>>>> things you mention. >>>>> >>>>> I take the approach of using VM fusion with my Mac and I consider that >>>>> I therefore have the best of both worlds. If I need to study a table I >>>>> switch very quickly to Windows, Word and Jaws. If I need to read a PDF >>>>> I use the Mac. >>>>> I set up a boot camp partition but, if starting again from scratch, I >>>>> would not now bother as fusion is a far better solution , including >>>>> the capacity to install and set up Windows without sighted help. >>>>> Once you get used to it file management is far easier on the Mac. >>>>> There are differences but whenever I am in Windows I find myself >>>>> wanting to use column view . >>>>> Downloading files is very efficient and fast on the Mac in my >>>>> experience but again it is completely different from Windows and you >>>>> will need to learn different techniques if you want to monitor >>>>> downloads. >>>>> The main problem with picking up the Mac is that there are lots of >>>>> information out there which is useful for visually impaired people but >>>>> it tends not to be centralised as much as for the commercial Windows >>>>> screen readers. However lists like this are invaluable as a learning >>>> assistant. >>>>> A big learning curve is ahead but I am sure you will enjoy it. >>>>> >>>>> David Griffith >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net >>>>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of chris >>>>> hallsworth >>>>> Sent: 14 January 2012 17:15 >>>>> To: Mac OSX& iOS Accessibility >>>>> Subject: Switching to a mac >>>>> >>>>> Hello all. >>>>> Well, I have been using the other operating system PCs since 1997, and >>>>> it's time I now fancy a change of scenary. So in the future I am >>>>> considering switching to a mac. It should allow me to do the >>>>> following: >>>>> 1. Browse websites such as Facebook. >>>>> 2. Manage my e-mail. >>>>> 3. Listen to and manage music. >>>>> 4. Buy music from iTunes or other online stores like Play.com. >>>>> 5. Do a very small amount of Word Processing, and I mean very small, >>>>> with hardly any formatting or other complex requirements. >>>>> I am looking into a laptop style mac. >>>>> 6. I am willing to use the other operating system where necessary, >>>>> either via bootcamp or a VM. So no issues there on that front. >>>>> I am going to take my time with this research, so please comment with >>>>> no rush necessary. >>>>> Again, I just fancy a change since I have been using Windows PCs since >>>> 1997. >>>>> It kind of also makes sense since I have both an iPhone and iPod >>>>> Touch. >>>>> Thanks for any comments, good or bad, on this. 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