Hi Chris, I will try that next time I go to an Apple shop and see how I get on with it.
Thanks Daniel On 15 Jan 2012, at 22:45, chris hallsworth wrote: > Daniel why not try an iDevice now as it comes preloaded with iOS 5. The high > quality voices can now be downloaded and used on iOS 5 on all iDevices. > > On 15/01/2012 20:28, Daniel McGee wrote: >> Indeed Chris, for the most part I find Alex nice to listen to but now and >> then I get a word that he doesn't pronounce promptly. Where as eloquence >> just seems more natural sounding in saying words correctly. >> Chris I am curious since you have and I device which voice do you use for >> it. See when I got one a couple of years ago I simply didn't understand and >> still possibly won't the nuance english voices which frustrates me because I >> really want to use an I device but can't because of this voice problem. >> >> Daniel >> On 15 Jan 2012, at 17:15, chris hallsworth wrote: >> >>> Interesting Daniel, I am hearing impaired as well and it appears I can >>> understand Alex very well. Of course speech synthesis is very subjective, >>> so what may suit one may not necessarily suit the other. >>> >>> On 15/01/2012 15:09, Daniel McGee wrote: >>>> Chris a useful resource that I recommend checking out is >>>> www.macfortheblind.com >>>> >>>> Hopefully you should enjoy that site. >>>> I love my Mac and I would love to get an iPhone but the voices i just >>>> don't simply understand them and the touch screen doesn't really appeal to >>>> me. >>>> The only thing I wish I could have on the Mac and IOS is elquance. If I >>>> had this I wouldn't go back to windows and before anyone asks this is not >>>> a blindness desire but is more needed for my hearing impairment. So if >>>> that day comes around I will be jumping around like crazy. So for now I >>>> use both platforms because of the above situation I have. >>>> >>>> Good luck with your research. Oh and by the way I brought a 13 inch Mac >>>> Book Pro. >>>> Just as a side note when I went the Apple store in blue water I noticed >>>> that the Mac Book Air has two USB ports which is the same as the Mac Book >>>> Pro. so all you need to think about is do you want a CD-ROM drive or not. >>>> Obviously I chose that but I don't know how much they are going to be >>>> around in Apple's line up of computers. Just so you know that. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Daniel >>>> On 15 Jan 2012, at 13:00, David Griffith wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have had no need to use anything else but Preview, and reading has been >>>>> easy with this, but on the Mac you are spoilt for choice with PDF reading. >>>>> There are several programs available. So much so that PDF, which is a real >>>>> pain on the Windows side is a very reasonable format on the Mac side. Of >>>>> course if the PDF is graphic based and has no text then VO will struggle. >>>>> The robobraille file conversion can handle most of these graphics based >>>>> documents but I tend to duck back into Fusion and Kurzweil for these. >>>>> >>>>> David Griffith >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net >>>>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of chris hallsworth >>>>> Sent: 15 January 2012 00:29 >>>>> To: Mac OSX& iOS Accessibility >>>>> Subject: Re: Switching to a mac >>>>> >>>>> So David, can you read PDFs fine on the mac? If so what app do you use? >>>>> I have heard of Preview, does this work well with VoiceOver? I suspect it >>>>> does since it is built in, but no harm in asking is there. >>>>> >>>>> On 14/01/2012 23:18, David Griffith wrote: >>>>>> I am sure that the Mac will provide a good experience for all the >>>>>> things you mention. >>>>>> >>>>>> I take the approach of using VM fusion with my Mac and I consider that >>>>>> I therefore have the best of both worlds. If I need to study a table I >>>>>> switch very quickly to Windows, Word and Jaws. If I need to read a PDF >>>>>> I use the Mac. >>>>>> I set up a boot camp partition but, if starting again from scratch, I >>>>>> would not now bother as fusion is a far better solution , including >>>>>> the capacity to install and set up Windows without sighted help. >>>>>> Once you get used to it file management is far easier on the Mac. >>>>>> There are differences but whenever I am in Windows I find myself >>>>>> wanting to use column view . >>>>>> Downloading files is very efficient and fast on the Mac in my >>>>>> experience but again it is completely different from Windows and you >>>>>> will need to learn different techniques if you want to monitor downloads. >>>>>> The main problem with picking up the Mac is that there are lots of >>>>>> information out there which is useful for visually impaired people but >>>>>> it tends not to be centralised as much as for the commercial Windows >>>>>> screen readers. However lists like this are invaluable as a learning >>>>> assistant. >>>>>> A big learning curve is ahead but I am sure you will enjoy it. >>>>>> >>>>>> David Griffith >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net >>>>>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of chris >>>>>> hallsworth >>>>>> Sent: 14 January 2012 17:15 >>>>>> To: Mac OSX& iOS Accessibility >>>>>> Subject: Switching to a mac >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello all. >>>>>> Well, I have been using the other operating system PCs since 1997, and >>>>>> it's time I now fancy a change of scenary. So in the future I am >>>>>> considering switching to a mac. It should allow me to do the following: >>>>>> 1. Browse websites such as Facebook. >>>>>> 2. Manage my e-mail. >>>>>> 3. Listen to and manage music. >>>>>> 4. Buy music from iTunes or other online stores like Play.com. >>>>>> 5. Do a very small amount of Word Processing, and I mean very small, >>>>>> with hardly any formatting or other complex requirements. >>>>>> I am looking into a laptop style mac. >>>>>> 6. I am willing to use the other operating system where necessary, >>>>>> either via bootcamp or a VM. So no issues there on that front. >>>>>> I am going to take my time with this research, so please comment with >>>>>> no rush necessary. >>>>>> Again, I just fancy a change since I have been using Windows PCs since >>>>> 1997. >>>>>> It kind of also makes sense since I have both an iPhone and iPod Touch. >>>>>> Thanks for any comments, good or bad, on this. 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