I agree! Karen is the only listenable vocalizer voice, but she just sounds so bored and sad. I've heard interviews with Karen Jacobsen, though, and she's nothing like that. They should have tried to capture a bit of her personality and livelyness with the voice. If I ever get an Itoy, I will use Karen as much as it will let me; don't know why, but I've always had a very strong dislike of the samantha voice, so I hope it will let me use Karen for siri and stuff if I ever do get an I device.
-----Original Message----- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Shaun Oliver Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:52 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools;A Passionate Rant [Was "so wish apple had done this"] I've nothing against vocaliser voices, especially Karen's voice, as it's the one I find most listenable. I would prefer, however, some more control over inflection and things like that. I find Karen's voice to be somewhat flat in terms of intonation, and while it's a good voice, it doesn't do the lady herself any justice. On 30/09/2012, at 10:09 PM, "Missy Hoppe" <mitmee....@gmail.com> wrote: > I Agree. Alex is probably the best TTS voice out there right now. I > have other voices installed on my macbook, but always go back to Alex. > I wish Apple would develop a female equivelent and do away with the > vocalizer stuff altogether, but until that happens, I'll always prefer Alex. > It's a shame he can't be used on I-devices; with the processors they have now, I can't believe that isn't possible yet. > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Shaun Oliver > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:36 AM > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools;A Passionate > Rant [Was "so wish apple had done this"] > > from my own personal experience, I've found that the Alex voice, seems > to have better inflection and is better able to read documents, whether > online or otherwise. > I have it relatively slow as I do alot of reading and want to take in each > bit as I read it. > you can even change the intonation which is rather nice, but, the vocaliser > voices don't seem to have that functionality. > As for Eloquents, I suspect Nuance would like it to simply go away. > While on platforms that shall not be named I find it responsive and > good for fast reading and the like, it's outdated technology and there's far > better out there. > Just my thoughts on the matter. > > On 30/09/2012, at 9:58 PM, "Debbie April Yuille" <debbieyui...@bigpond.com> > wrote: > >> Try using alex. That voice works great for me. When it changes pitch >> you can still understand it quite well. >> >> I don't think Voice over will ever start using Eloquence as it's not >> in development anymore. Maybe the vocalisor pitch problem wil be >> corrected in the future. Then Vocaliser will be really good. >> >> Debbie >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net >> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of william lomas >> Sent: Sunday, 30 September 2012 10:10 PM >> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >> Subject: Re: Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools; A Passionate >> Rant [Was "so wish apple had done this"] >> >> just wish the HQ voices didn't keep changing pitch. they are unusable >> really. not saying ungrateful, just that the web to me seems clunky >> when hiding elements for us would make it a smoother experience >> >> On 30 Sep 2012, at 11:15, Chris <christopher...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I am greatful for all this as well. >>> >>> On 30/09/2012 07:03, Lyn & her faithful furry friends wrote: >>>>> I whole-heartedly agree with your post Lynne..couldn't have said >>>>> it >> better. >>>>> all I have to say is thank you Apple for your commitment to making >>>>> your >> products accessible to everyone regardless of whether they are >> disabled or not. I have been able to visualise things a lot more ever >> since I've been using a mac. I know how the screen is laid out just >> like any sighted person, unlike with the other screen readers which >> constantly use virtualisation. Well basically, a big thank you and >> all my gratitude to Apple for making accessibility a right and not >> something you should fork out tons of money for. I am grateful for being >> able to buy a computer, a phone.. >> that is usable right out of the box without the assistance of a >> sighted person. I am grateful for being able to buy this equipment at >> the same price a sighted person buys it so yes, thank you Apple for all the >> hard work. >> Nothing is perfect and I am sure things can only improve so let's all >> be patient and as Lynne rightly said, report problems to Apple, this >> is the only way they will know what problems >>> we are >>> having. >>>>> Never in a million years will I go back to using other screen >>>>> readers >> and the other platform. >>>>> >>>>> Take care all, >>>>> >>>>> Lyn, Canelle & Epi >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 29, 2012, at 8:05 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith >> <ly...@mac-access.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello Missy >>>>>> >>>>>> I think that is a fair and reasonable perspective. I'm certainly >>>>>> not >> trying to involve anybody in a "My toy's better than yours" debate. >> What people do and how they choose to do it is entirely down to their >> choice. All I can say in conclusion to this is that this group is >> here for all of those people who share a desire and even a passion to >> see Apple's products improve. Also those who are keen to use and, in >> many cases, learn to use the products. Whatever your skill level and >> whatever your application for Apple's products may be, you are very welcome >> here. >>>>>> >>>>>> Lynne >>>>>> >>>>>> On 29 Sep 2012, at 18:53, "Missy Hoppe" <mitmee....@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> . Very well said! I'll be the first to admit that I don't take >>>>>> full >> advantage of all the tips and tricks that could make web >>>>>> browsing easier, but I don't blaim apple or other screen reader >> developers. It's entirely my fault if I'm too lazy or >>>>>> stubborn to take the time to learn how to use web browsers >>>>>> properly. It >> always frustrates me when I see any product being >>>>>> bashed for seemingly no good reason. True, there are things I >> personally don't use, but I'm willing to respect others' rights >>>>>> or desire to use such products. I don't know if this is making >>>>>> any >> sense or not, but in a nut shell, all I'm trying to say is >>>>>> that I agree with you 100%. 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