yes you can use karen on i phones i have her on mine krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com
On 30/09/2012, at 11:04 PM, "Missy Hoppe" <mitmee....@gmail.com> wrote: > I agree! Karen is the only listenable vocalizer voice, but she just sounds so > bored and sad. I've heard interviews with Karen > Jacobsen, though, and she's nothing like that. They should have tried to > capture a bit of her personality and livelyness with > the voice. If I ever get an Itoy, I will use Karen as much as it will let me; > don't know why, but I've always had a very > strong dislike of the samantha voice, so I hope it will let me use Karen for > siri and stuff if I ever do get an I device. > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Shaun Oliver > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:52 AM > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools;A Passionate Rant [Was > "so wish apple had done this"] > > I've nothing against vocaliser voices, especially Karen's voice, as it's the > one I find most listenable. I would prefer, > however, some more control over inflection and things like that. I find > Karen's voice to be somewhat flat in terms of > intonation, and while it's a good voice, it doesn't do the lady herself any > justice. > > On 30/09/2012, at 10:09 PM, "Missy Hoppe" <mitmee....@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I Agree. Alex is probably the best TTS voice out there right now. I >> have other voices installed on my macbook, but always go back to Alex. >> I wish Apple would develop a female equivelent and do away with the >> vocalizer stuff altogether, but until that happens, I'll always prefer Alex. >> It's a shame he can't be used on I-devices; > with the processors they have now, I can't believe that isn't possible yet. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net >> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Shaun Oliver >> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:36 AM >> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >> Subject: Re: Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools;A Passionate >> Rant [Was "so wish apple had done this"] >> >> from my own personal experience, I've found that the Alex voice, seems >> to have better inflection and is better able to read documents, whether >> online or otherwise. >> I have it relatively slow as I do alot of reading and want to take in each >> bit as I read it. >> you can even change the intonation which is rather nice, but, the vocaliser >> voices don't seem to have that functionality. >> As for Eloquents, I suspect Nuance would like it to simply go away. >> While on platforms that shall not be named I find it responsive and >> good for fast reading and the like, it's outdated technology and there's far >> better out there. >> Just my thoughts on the matter. >> >> On 30/09/2012, at 9:58 PM, "Debbie April Yuille" <debbieyui...@bigpond.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Try using alex. That voice works great for me. When it changes pitch >>> you can still understand it quite well. >>> >>> I don't think Voice over will ever start using Eloquence as it's not >>> in development anymore. Maybe the vocalisor pitch problem wil be >>> corrected in the future. Then Vocaliser will be really good. >>> >>> Debbie >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net >>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of william lomas >>> Sent: Sunday, 30 September 2012 10:10 PM >>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >>> Subject: Re: Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools; A Passionate >>> Rant [Was "so wish apple had done this"] >>> >>> just wish the HQ voices didn't keep changing pitch. they are unusable >>> really. not saying ungrateful, just that the web to me seems clunky >>> when hiding elements for us would make it a smoother experience >>> >>> On 30 Sep 2012, at 11:15, Chris <christopher...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I am greatful for all this as well. >>>> >>>> On 30/09/2012 07:03, Lyn & her faithful furry friends wrote: >>>>>> I whole-heartedly agree with your post Lynne..couldn't have said >>>>>> it >>> better. >>>>>> all I have to say is thank you Apple for your commitment to making >>>>>> your >>> products accessible to everyone regardless of whether they are >>> disabled or not. I have been able to visualise things a lot more ever >>> since I've been using a mac. I know how the screen is laid out just >>> like any sighted person, unlike with the other screen readers which >>> constantly use virtualisation. Well basically, a big thank you and >>> all my gratitude to Apple for making accessibility a right and not >>> something you should fork out tons of money for. I am grateful for being >>> able to buy a computer, a phone.. >>> that is usable right out of the box without the assistance of a >>> sighted person. I am grateful for being able to buy this equipment at >>> the same price a sighted person buys it so yes, thank you Apple for all the >>> hard work. >>> Nothing is perfect and I am sure things can only improve so let's all >>> be patient and as Lynne rightly said, report problems to Apple, this >>> is the only way they will know what problems >>>> we are >>>> having. >>>>>> Never in a million years will I go back to using other screen >>>>>> readers >>> and the other platform. >>>>>> >>>>>> Take care all, >>>>>> >>>>>> Lyn, Canelle & Epi >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 29, 2012, at 8:05 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith >>> <ly...@mac-access.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Missy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think that is a fair and reasonable perspective. I'm certainly >>>>>>> not >>> trying to involve anybody in a "My toy's better than yours" debate. >>> What people do and how they choose to do it is entirely down to their >>> choice. All I can say in conclusion to this is that this group is >>> here for all of those people who share a desire and even a passion to >>> see Apple's products improve. Also those who are keen to use and, in >>> many cases, learn to use the products. Whatever your skill level and >>> whatever your application for Apple's products may be, you are very welcome >>> here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lynne >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 29 Sep 2012, at 18:53, "Missy Hoppe" <mitmee....@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> . Very well said! I'll be the first to admit that I don't take >>>>>>> full >>> advantage of all the tips and tricks that could make web >>>>>>> browsing easier, but I don't blaim apple or other screen reader >>> developers. It's entirely my fault if I'm too lazy or >>>>>>> stubborn to take the time to learn how to use web browsers >>>>>>> properly. It >>> always frustrates me when I see any product being >>>>>>> bashed for seemingly no good reason. True, there are things I >>> personally don't use, but I'm willing to respect others' rights >>>>>>> or desire to use such products. I don't know if this is making >>>>>>> any >>> sense or not, but in a nut shell, all I'm trying to say is >>>>>>> that I agree with you 100%. 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