> Well I personally don't agree about Carin, I really hate this voice, it > really gets on my nerves. I much prefer Samantha which I use on my IDevices > as well as on the mac but of course, different people, different tastes which > is fine of course. As a non native English speaker, I tend to prefer American > voices in general. My favorite of course is Alex I must admit and I use Alex > along with Samantha. > > Lyn, Canelle & Epi > On Sep 30, 2012, at 3:04 PM, Missy Hoppe <mitmee....@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I agree! Karen is the only listenable vocalizer voice, but she just sounds >> so bored and sad. I've heard interviews with Karen >> Jacobsen, though, and she's nothing like that. They should have tried to >> capture a bit of her personality and livelyness with >> the voice. If I ever get an Itoy, I will use Karen as much as it will let >> me; don't know why, but I've always had a very >> strong dislike of the samantha voice, so I hope it will let me use Karen for >> siri and stuff if I ever do get an I device. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net >> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Shaun Oliver >> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:52 AM >> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >> Subject: Re: Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools;A Passionate Rant [Was >> "so wish apple had done this"] >> >> I've nothing against vocaliser voices, especially Karen's voice, as it's the >> one I find most listenable. I would prefer, >> however, some more control over inflection and things like that. I find >> Karen's voice to be somewhat flat in terms of >> intonation, and while it's a good voice, it doesn't do the lady herself any >> justice. >> >> On 30/09/2012, at 10:09 PM, "Missy Hoppe" <mitmee....@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I Agree. Alex is probably the best TTS voice out there right now. I >>> have other voices installed on my macbook, but always go back to Alex. >>> I wish Apple would develop a female equivelent and do away with the >>> vocalizer stuff altogether, but until that happens, I'll always prefer >>> Alex. It's a shame he can't be used on I-devices; >> with the processors they have now, I can't believe that isn't possible yet. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net >>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Shaun Oliver >>> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:36 AM >>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >>> Subject: Re: Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools;A Passionate >>> Rant [Was "so wish apple had done this"] >>> >>> from my own personal experience, I've found that the Alex voice, seems >>> to have better inflection and is better able to read documents, whether >>> online or otherwise. >>> I have it relatively slow as I do alot of reading and want to take in each >>> bit as I read it. >>> you can even change the intonation which is rather nice, but, the vocaliser >>> voices don't seem to have that functionality. >>> As for Eloquents, I suspect Nuance would like it to simply go away. >>> While on platforms that shall not be named I find it responsive and >>> good for fast reading and the like, it's outdated technology and there's >>> far better out there. >>> Just my thoughts on the matter. >>> >>> On 30/09/2012, at 9:58 PM, "Debbie April Yuille" <debbieyui...@bigpond.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Try using alex. That voice works great for me. When it changes pitch >>>> you can still understand it quite well. >>>> >>>> I don't think Voice over will ever start using Eloquence as it's not >>>> in development anymore. Maybe the vocalisor pitch problem wil be >>>> corrected in the future. Then Vocaliser will be really good. >>>> >>>> Debbie >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net >>>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of william lomas >>>> Sent: Sunday, 30 September 2012 10:10 PM >>>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >>>> Subject: Re: Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools; A Passionate >>>> Rant [Was "so wish apple had done this"] >>>> >>>> just wish the HQ voices didn't keep changing pitch. they are unusable >>>> really. not saying ungrateful, just that the web to me seems clunky >>>> when hiding elements for us would make it a smoother experience >>>> >>>> On 30 Sep 2012, at 11:15, Chris <christopher...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am greatful for all this as well. >>>>> >>>>> On 30/09/2012 07:03, Lyn & her faithful furry friends wrote: >>>>>>> I whole-heartedly agree with your post Lynne..couldn't have said >>>>>>> it >>>> better. >>>>>>> all I have to say is thank you Apple for your commitment to making >>>>>>> your >>>> products accessible to everyone regardless of whether they are >>>> disabled or not. I have been able to visualise things a lot more ever >>>> since I've been using a mac. I know how the screen is laid out just >>>> like any sighted person, unlike with the other screen readers which >>>> constantly use virtualisation. Well basically, a big thank you and >>>> all my gratitude to Apple for making accessibility a right and not >>>> something you should fork out tons of money for. I am grateful for being >>>> able to buy a computer, a phone.. >>>> that is usable right out of the box without the assistance of a >>>> sighted person. I am grateful for being able to buy this equipment at >>>> the same price a sighted person buys it so yes, thank you Apple for all >>>> the hard work. >>>> Nothing is perfect and I am sure things can only improve so let's all >>>> be patient and as Lynne rightly said, report problems to Apple, this >>>> is the only way they will know what problems >>>>> we are >>>>> having. >>>>>>> Never in a million years will I go back to using other screen >>>>>>> readers >>>> and the other platform. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Take care all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lyn, Canelle & Epi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 29, 2012, at 8:05 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith >>>> <ly...@mac-access.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello Missy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think that is a fair and reasonable perspective. I'm certainly >>>>>>>> not >>>> trying to involve anybody in a "My toy's better than yours" debate. >>>> What people do and how they choose to do it is entirely down to their >>>> choice. All I can say in conclusion to this is that this group is >>>> here for all of those people who share a desire and even a passion to >>>> see Apple's products improve. Also those who are keen to use and, in >>>> many cases, learn to use the products. Whatever your skill level and >>>> whatever your application for Apple's products may be, you are very >>>> welcome here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Lynne >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 29 Sep 2012, at 18:53, "Missy Hoppe" <mitmee....@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> . Very well said! I'll be the first to admit that I don't take >>>>>>>> full >>>> advantage of all the tips and tricks that could make web >>>>>>>> browsing easier, but I don't blaim apple or other screen reader >>>> developers. It's entirely my fault if I'm too lazy or >>>>>>>> stubborn to take the time to learn how to use web browsers >>>>>>>> properly. It >>>> always frustrates me when I see any product being >>>>>>>> bashed for seemingly no good reason. True, there are things I >>>> personally don't use, but I'm willing to respect others' rights >>>>>>>> or desire to use such products. I don't know if this is making >>>>>>>> any >>>> sense or not, but in a nut shell, all I'm trying to say is >>>>>>>> that I agree with you 100%. 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