Hmm, i am using the Safari public beta and i have noticed the non refreshing behaviour, trouble is, if i leave the link i'm hovering over, the menu of links that drop down when you hover over the links will disappear. I know this should be workable, but i can't work this out so any tips would be much appreciated. /Krister
6 jun 2009 kl. 20.29 skrev Josh de Lioncourt: > Hi Krister, > > Can't say I've had much trouble with Groups mode and dynamic HTML. I > am using Safari 4 public beta. If you're running Safari 3, it might > be worth checking out Safari 4. Occasionally, content doesn't > refresh immediately, but moving around for a second or cycling VO > off and on always fixes that. > > Josh de Lioncourt > …my other mail provider is an owl… > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > Music: http://stage19music.com > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > On Jun 6, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > >> >> Hi Josh, i totally agree with what you say, and it's mostly because >> of >> that that i like groups mode more than dom. I must ask a question >> however, have you had the problem with dynamic html that i have and >> how do you work around it? Is it the link chooser or what's the best >> bet? >> /Krister >> >> >> 6 jun 2009 kl. 17.39 skrev Josh de Lioncourt: >> >>> >>> I don't think this is necessarily true. Most VoiceOver Mac users >>> these days came from Windows, because for several years there was no >>> screen reader for Mac OS X. >>> >>> I used Mac with outSpoken in the 90's, but had been a Windows user >>> for a decade when I made the leap to OS X. I dislike DOM mode and >>> find that Groups mode does a much better job of serving up web >>> content. >>> >>> It's really a matter of personal preference. If you want to have as >>> close of an experience of surfing the web as a sighted user gets, >>> Groups mode is for you. If you want a linear, more command-line or >>> DOS-like approach, use DOM. >>> >>> Josh de Lioncourt >>> …my other mail provider is an owl… >>> >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt >>> Music: http://stage19music.com >>> Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com >>> Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com >>> GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt >>> >>> On Jun 5, 2009, at 1:37 AM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I think most people who come from Windows screen readers, including >>>> myself, use DOM navigation because it's basically the same one that >>>> you would use with JFW or Window Eyes. I do like Group navigation, >>>> except sometimes it just didn't work for me on certain websites >>>> so I >>>> definitely switched to DOM. >>>> >>>> Ignasi >>>> On Jun 5, 2009, at 4:24 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have always thought that group mode is the way to go, at least >>>>> that's what i was taught when first beginning to use VO. Therefore >>>>> i'm >>>>> extremely reluctant to leave group mode, because it's much >>>>> faster as >>>>> someone here said and in Dom mode you have to sift through all the >>>>> links and stuff to get where you want to go. Now i'm confused as >>>>> to >>>>> what to actually use. and the way my brain works is that it >>>>> needs to >>>>> know what to use, even though it's a personal preference for most >>>>> users. So what's the general thought nowadays, is it Dom mode or >>>>> Group >>>>> and why one above the other? >>>>> /Krister >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 5 jun 2009 kl. 10.10 skrev Esther: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Michael, >>>>>> >>>>>> You can set either DOM or Group navigation under the Web >>>>>> specifications in VoiceOver Utility. Use VO-F8 to bring up the >>>>>> VoiceOver Utility menu, press "w" to go to "Web" in the sidebar, >>>>>> then >>>>>> tab to the web setup options and select the radio button for >>>>>> either >>>>>> DOM or group navigation for "When navigating web content use:". >>>>>> Command-W to close the window. >>>>>> >>>>>> As a further comment, a number of people have remarked that on >>>>>> web >>>>>> pages you're familiar with, group navigation works faster. I use >>>>>> group >>>>>> navigation for searching the archives, for example. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Esther >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 4, 2009, at 21:56 , Michael Busboom wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can somebody tell me how to switch between DOM and Group Modes? >>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Justin >>>>>>> Harford >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, 05 June, 2009 04:26 >>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Dynamic html and Safari in group mode >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Groups mode is a mode which has fallen into disfavor lately >>>>>>> because >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> what has been mentioned. This bug of ignoring dynamically >>>>>>> changing >>>>>>> HTML has been a problem since the days of tiger. It's not >>>>>>> just a >>>>>>> matter that DOM mode gives you more information end-of-story. >>>>>>> The >>>>>>> reason for that is a bug probably in apple's webkit which >>>>>>> needs to >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> fixed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Justin Harford >>>>>>> On Jun 4, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> first off, dom mode will generally give you more information, >>>>>>>> that's >>>>>>>> the setting I would advise you to use. Second, if you can get >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> mouse on the right spot, you could then turn off cursor >>>>>>>> tracking >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> see if you could read the menus. >>>>>>>> On Jun 4, 2009, at 7:22 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hey good people out there in cyberland. >>>>>>>>> I was trying to work with a web site which caused me problems, >>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>> it has links that, when pointing to them with your mouse, >>>>>>>>> rolls >>>>>>>>> down >>>>>>>>> other links in a menu that you should click on to get where >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>> to go. >>>>>>>>> It appears that in Safari 4 Beta, you can not see this menu of >>>>>>>>> links >>>>>>>>> when in group mode, at least not in a way that i know about. >>>>>>>>> How >>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>> you knowledgable people out there tackle this? >>>>>>>>> Thankful for any suggestions. >>>>>>>>> /Krister >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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