Kara, Justin, Michael, and Others, If you want to read through one of the discussions of group mode versus DOM mode navigation from a year ago, try this thread in the old list archives. I'll start you at the beginning of the thread, which is actually a question by Will about what new things might be coming up in later versions of Leopard. This quickly turned into a discussion of what things people would like to see fixed (a lot of the issues that recently got fixed in the Safari 4 beta, or which have been fixed in the WebKit nightly builds since last fall), and then a discussion of DOM versus group mode navigation. Since people tend to top post on this list, I'll start you at the beginning of the thread. Just Control-N (if you are using Safari) to read down the thread, and you can skip down quickly through the first 3 or 4 posts to where Jacob makes a comment about when it might help to turn on group mode navigation. The discussion really picks up from there and starts to go fast and furious. For anyone who is using a Windows browser, try Alt-N for the access key combination to read the next post in the thread at the Mail Archive site. For Safari users Control-n lets you read the next post in the thread and Control-p gives you the previous post. You can also mark any page for snapback with Command-Option-K and snap back to that page with Command-Option-P.
Here's the starting point of the discussion on Group versus DOM mode from April 2008: http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss%40macvisionaries.com/msg32754.html (Subject: any news) Enjoy the exchange. Cheers, Esther P.S. In cases where it makes a difference, I'll tell people whether I'm using DOM or group mode to navigate. On Jun 4, 2009, at 22:38 , Justin Harford wrote: > > I am now more of a DOM mode user, but not because I prefer it, but > rather because I tolerate it. Groups mode does not work well with the > new onslaught of IM clients with dynamic html message viewers like > adium, and since I use those sorts of programs a lot, it is not worth > the trouble of changing back and forth between groups mode and DOM > mode. If groups mode were made to work with dynamically changing > HTML, I would switch and never look back. Truth is that this is > rarely a problem on the internet, just with IM through adium or skype, > and this is the problem for me. > > Regards > Justin > On Jun 5, 2009, at 1:24 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > >> >> I have always thought that group mode is the way to go, at least >> that's what i was taught when first beginning to use VO. Therefore >> i'm >> extremely reluctant to leave group mode, because it's much faster as >> someone here said and in Dom mode you have to sift through all the >> links and stuff to get where you want to go. Now i'm confused as to >> what to actually use. and the way my brain works is that it needs to >> know what to use, even though it's a personal preference for most >> users. So what's the general thought nowadays, is it Dom mode or >> Group >> and why one above the other? >> /Krister >> >> >> 5 jun 2009 kl. 10.10 skrev Esther: >> >>> >>> Hi Michael, >>> >>> You can set either DOM or Group navigation under the Web >>> specifications in VoiceOver Utility. Use VO-F8 to bring up the >>> VoiceOver Utility menu, press "w" to go to "Web" in the sidebar, >>> then >>> tab to the web setup options and select the radio button for either >>> DOM or group navigation for "When navigating web content use:". >>> Command-W to close the window. >>> >>> As a further comment, a number of people have remarked that on web >>> pages you're familiar with, group navigation works faster. I use >>> group >>> navigation for searching the archives, for example. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Esther >>> >>> On Jun 4, 2009, at 21:56 , Michael Busboom wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Can somebody tell me how to switch between DOM and Group Modes? >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Justin >>>> Harford >>>> Sent: Friday, 05 June, 2009 04:26 >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Dynamic html and Safari in group mode >>>> >>>> >>>> Groups mode is a mode which has fallen into disfavor lately because >>>> of >>>> what has been mentioned. This bug of ignoring dynamically changing >>>> HTML has been a problem since the days of tiger. It's not just a >>>> matter that DOM mode gives you more information end-of-story. The >>>> reason for that is a bug probably in apple's webkit which needs to >>>> be >>>> fixed. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Justin Harford >>>> On Jun 4, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> first off, dom mode will generally give you more information, >>>>> that's >>>>> the setting I would advise you to use. Second, if you can get the >>>>> mouse on the right spot, you could then turn off cursor tracking >>>>> and >>>>> see if you could read the menus. >>>>> On Jun 4, 2009, at 7:22 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey good people out there in cyberland. >>>>>> I was trying to work with a web site which caused me problems, >>>>>> because >>>>>> it has links that, when pointing to them with your mouse, rolls >>>>>> down >>>>>> other links in a menu that you should click on to get where you >>>>>> want >>>>>> to go. >>>>>> It appears that in Safari 4 Beta, you can not see this menu of >>>>>> links >>>>>> when in group mode, at least not in a way that i know about. How >>>>>> do >>>>>> you knowledgable people out there tackle this? >>>>>> Thankful for any suggestions. >>>>>> /Krister >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
