Josh, very well stated and I do find groups mode to be my preference, but I can see where some would like the dom mode. I want an experience as close to what my sighted counterparts get, so I can navigate more easily to what they are wanting to show me. I found groups mode to allow this more rapid means of navigation and a way to get around the site quickly. I agree it is a personal choice and you just need to find what works best for your needs. On Jun 6, 2009, at 11:39 AM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote:
> > I don't think this is necessarily true. Most VoiceOver Mac users > these days came from Windows, because for several years there was no > screen reader for Mac OS X. > > I used Mac with outSpoken in the 90's, but had been a Windows user > for a decade when I made the leap to OS X. I dislike DOM mode and > find that Groups mode does a much better job of serving up web > content. > > It's really a matter of personal preference. If you want to have as > close of an experience of surfing the web as a sighted user gets, > Groups mode is for you. If you want a linear, more command-line or > DOS-like approach, use DOM. > > Josh de Lioncourt > …my other mail provider is an owl… > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > Music: http://stage19music.com > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > On Jun 5, 2009, at 1:37 AM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: > >> >> I think most people who come from Windows screen readers, including >> myself, use DOM navigation because it's basically the same one that >> you would use with JFW or Window Eyes. I do like Group navigation, >> except sometimes it just didn't work for me on certain websites so I >> definitely switched to DOM. >> >> Ignasi >> On Jun 5, 2009, at 4:24 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >> >>> >>> I have always thought that group mode is the way to go, at least >>> that's what i was taught when first beginning to use VO. Therefore >>> i'm >>> extremely reluctant to leave group mode, because it's much faster as >>> someone here said and in Dom mode you have to sift through all the >>> links and stuff to get where you want to go. Now i'm confused as to >>> what to actually use. and the way my brain works is that it needs to >>> know what to use, even though it's a personal preference for most >>> users. So what's the general thought nowadays, is it Dom mode or >>> Group >>> and why one above the other? >>> /Krister >>> >>> >>> 5 jun 2009 kl. 10.10 skrev Esther: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi Michael, >>>> >>>> You can set either DOM or Group navigation under the Web >>>> specifications in VoiceOver Utility. Use VO-F8 to bring up the >>>> VoiceOver Utility menu, press "w" to go to "Web" in the sidebar, >>>> then >>>> tab to the web setup options and select the radio button for either >>>> DOM or group navigation for "When navigating web content use:". >>>> Command-W to close the window. >>>> >>>> As a further comment, a number of people have remarked that on web >>>> pages you're familiar with, group navigation works faster. I use >>>> group >>>> navigation for searching the archives, for example. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Esther >>>> >>>> On Jun 4, 2009, at 21:56 , Michael Busboom wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Can somebody tell me how to switch between DOM and Group Modes? >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Justin >>>>> Harford >>>>> Sent: Friday, 05 June, 2009 04:26 >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: Dynamic html and Safari in group mode >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Groups mode is a mode which has fallen into disfavor lately >>>>> because >>>>> of >>>>> what has been mentioned. This bug of ignoring dynamically >>>>> changing >>>>> HTML has been a problem since the days of tiger. It's not just a >>>>> matter that DOM mode gives you more information end-of-story. The >>>>> reason for that is a bug probably in apple's webkit which needs to >>>>> be >>>>> fixed. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Justin Harford >>>>> On Jun 4, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> first off, dom mode will generally give you more information, >>>>>> that's >>>>>> the setting I would advise you to use. Second, if you can get the >>>>>> mouse on the right spot, you could then turn off cursor tracking >>>>>> and >>>>>> see if you could read the menus. >>>>>> On Jun 4, 2009, at 7:22 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey good people out there in cyberland. >>>>>>> I was trying to work with a web site which caused me problems, >>>>>>> because >>>>>>> it has links that, when pointing to them with your mouse, rolls >>>>>>> down >>>>>>> other links in a menu that you should click on to get where you >>>>>>> want >>>>>>> to go. >>>>>>> It appears that in Safari 4 Beta, you can not see this menu of >>>>>>> links >>>>>>> when in group mode, at least not in a way that i know about. How >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> you knowledgable people out there tackle this? >>>>>>> Thankful for any suggestions. >>>>>>> /Krister >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
