I don't think this is necessarily true. Most VoiceOver Mac users these
days came from Windows, because for several years there was no screen
reader for Mac OS X.
I used Mac with outSpoken in the 90's, but had been a Windows user for
a decade when I made the leap to OS X. I dislike DOM mode and find
that Groups mode does a much better job of serving up web content.
It's really a matter of personal preference. If you want to have as
close of an experience of surfing the web as a sighted user gets,
Groups mode is for you. If you want a linear, more command-line or DOS-
like approach, use DOM.
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On Jun 5, 2009, at 1:37 AM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
>
> I think most people who come from Windows screen readers, including
> myself, use DOM navigation because it's basically the same one that
> you would use with JFW or Window Eyes. I do like Group navigation,
> except sometimes it just didn't work for me on certain websites so I
> definitely switched to DOM.
>
> Ignasi
> On Jun 5, 2009, at 4:24 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>
>>
>> I have always thought that group mode is the way to go, at least
>> that's what i was taught when first beginning to use VO. Therefore
>> i'm
>> extremely reluctant to leave group mode, because it's much faster as
>> someone here said and in Dom mode you have to sift through all the
>> links and stuff to get where you want to go. Now i'm confused as to
>> what to actually use. and the way my brain works is that it needs to
>> know what to use, even though it's a personal preference for most
>> users. So what's the general thought nowadays, is it Dom mode or
>> Group
>> and why one above the other?
>> /Krister
>>
>>
>> 5 jun 2009 kl. 10.10 skrev Esther:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Michael,
>>>
>>> You can set either DOM or Group navigation under the Web
>>> specifications in VoiceOver Utility. Use VO-F8 to bring up the
>>> VoiceOver Utility menu, press "w" to go to "Web" in the sidebar,
>>> then
>>> tab to the web setup options and select the radio button for either
>>> DOM or group navigation for "When navigating web content use:".
>>> Command-W to close the window.
>>>
>>> As a further comment, a number of people have remarked that on web
>>> pages you're familiar with, group navigation works faster. I use
>>> group
>>> navigation for searching the archives, for example.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Esther
>>>
>>> On Jun 4, 2009, at 21:56 , Michael Busboom wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can somebody tell me how to switch between DOM and Group Modes?
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Justin
>>>> Harford
>>>> Sent: Friday, 05 June, 2009 04:26
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Dynamic html and Safari in group mode
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Groups mode is a mode which has fallen into disfavor lately because
>>>> of
>>>> what has been mentioned. This bug of ignoring dynamically changing
>>>> HTML has been a problem since the days of tiger. It's not just a
>>>> matter that DOM mode gives you more information end-of-story. The
>>>> reason for that is a bug probably in apple's webkit which needs to
>>>> be
>>>> fixed.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Justin Harford
>>>> On Jun 4, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> first off, dom mode will generally give you more information,
>>>>> that's
>>>>> the setting I would advise you to use. Second, if you can get the
>>>>> mouse on the right spot, you could then turn off cursor tracking
>>>>> and
>>>>> see if you could read the menus.
>>>>> On Jun 4, 2009, at 7:22 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey good people out there in cyberland.
>>>>>> I was trying to work with a web site which caused me problems,
>>>>>> because
>>>>>> it has links that, when pointing to them with your mouse, rolls
>>>>>> down
>>>>>> other links in a menu that you should click on to get where you
>>>>>> want
>>>>>> to go.
>>>>>> It appears that in Safari 4 Beta, you can not see this menu of
>>>>>> links
>>>>>> when in group mode, at least not in a way that i know about. How
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> you knowledgable people out there tackle this?
>>>>>> Thankful for any suggestions.
>>>>>> /Krister
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>
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>
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