No, voice over and Siri are two completely separate things. Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 1, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote: > > Hmm, I wonder if you change the pronounciation with siri if vo will use it > too. >> On 7/1/2014 3:46 PM, Jessica D wrote: >> A pronunciation dictionary would be nice as well. I have a bunch of names in >> my contact list voice over refuses to pronounce correctly. Had this time, I >> cannot change that. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 1, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Daniel McGee <danielmcgee...@googlemail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I don’t know what to expect from IOS 8 but it would be nice if they could >>> continue the trend of voices. In the form of downloading voices you >>> actually want. Like on the Mac. >>> By example, say for those in the US, by default you get Samantha but you >>> actually preferred Tom for whatever reason. Or for UK folks, you get Daniel >>> but you would rather use Serena. So at the end of the day, you get a >>> choice. Of course, I don’t know if this will happen in IOS 8 but for me I >>> know it would be a welcome addition. >>> >>> Just my thoughts, for whatever its worth. >>> >>> >>>> On 1 Jul 2014, at 19:59, Christopher Hallsworth <christopher...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> iOS 5 was sure a big update. Let me stress that it's far and few in >>>> between we get big updates. The last time was iOS 5 back in 2011. Then do >>>> you all remember iOS 3 back in 2009? >>>> >>>> Christopher Hallsworth >>>> Student at the Hadley School for the Blind >>>> www.hadley.edu >>>> >>>>> On 01/07/2014 19:36, Devin Prater wrote: >>>>> I think voiceover will be improved, as it always is. Every big release, >>>>> and even some small releases, contain changes. I still remember my first >>>>> big update, to iOS5. I loved the premium voices! Then in iOS6 we were >>>>> able to underline and bold text in any app that supported it, not just >>>>> in pages. And we all know all the awesome things in ios7, especially for >>>>> multilingual people... So just wait, I'm sure we'll be delightfully >>>>> surprised. >>>>>> On 7/1/2014 9:53 AM, Alex Hall wrote: >>>>>> Apple has opened up third-party keyboards, so Fleksy can become your >>>>>> system-wide input method if you wish. They also added braille input >>>>>> directly to VoiceOver, letting you use braille on the screen anywhere >>>>>> you can type. By the way, that last one was on a WWDC Keynote slide, >>>>>> so it's public knowledge. Those, plus the Alex voice, plus all the >>>>>> features still protected under NDA, make iOS8 a pretty exciting >>>>>> release in my book. We have no idea just what to expect to see, so at >>>>>> least wait until iOS8 is out in the wild before saying that Apple has >>>>>> done nothing. >>>>>> On Jul 1, 2014, at 9:25 AM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com >>>>>> <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> 1) Just because Apple has not implemented the features you wish to >>>>>>> see does not mean, in any way, that Apple has not added new features >>>>>>> to VoiceOver. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2) Unless you are a beta tester, you do not know what Apple has or >>>>>>> has not added. And, beta testers are not supposed to provide such >>>>>>> information. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3) I listened to two podcasts which discussed some of the new >>>>>>> accessibility features. As I respect the list position, even though I >>>>>>> am not a beta tester, I am reframing from making any comments besides >>>>>>> the one I made about the Alex voice. Also, I will not state which >>>>>>> podcasts I listened to. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>>>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 1 Jul 2014, at 23:37, mário navarro <mario....@gmail.com >>>>>>>> <mailto:mario....@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ok. >>>>>>>> seems to me, that users of vo do not have new features in voice over >>>>>>>> on IOS8. >>>>>>>> because if these are the new releases for IOS8 accessibility, >>>>>>>> nothing was done especially for vo. >>>>>>>> jonathan moasen and some others blind users have made a list of the >>>>>>>> new features they would like to see the voice over on IOS8, but if >>>>>>>> these are the new accessibility to IOS8, we can consider that >>>>>>>> nothing of the desires we all have been met. >>>>>>>> and there was so much to do and improve the voice over on IOS8. >>>>>>>> I can not believe that apple has only this to offer us ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I will prepare myself for another big disappointment ... >>>>>>>> cheers . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Em 01-07-2014 07:38, Christopher Hallsworth escreveu: >>>>>>>>> If it's like the mac Alex will be a U.S. English voice only. Other >>>>>>>>> languages should still use the Vocalizer Expressive voices as with >>>>>>>>> the case on iOS 7. As for speak screen I speculate this would be >>>>>>>>> useless for VO users; more for those with low vision such as Zoom >>>>>>>>> users or those with a learning disability such as dyslexia. Just a >>>>>>>>> disclaimer: I am a beta tester but can still only speculate. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Christopher Hallsworth >>>>>>>>> Student at the Hadley School for the Blind >>>>>>>>> www.hadley.edu <http://www.hadley.edu> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 01/07/2014 04:05, mário navarro wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> hi. >>>>>>>>>> alex on IOS8 will only support English / USA, or will speak all the >>>>>>>>>> languages that are available today in the voices of IOS7 vocalizer >>>>>>>>>> expressive voices? >>>>>>>>>> yes, because if Alex comes to IOS8, must be present for all languages >>>>>>>>>> and not only for English USA. >>>>>>>>>> on the mac, alex only supports English / USA. >>>>>>>>>> who assures us that alex on IOS8 will not be the same as the mac? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> now speak about speak screen. >>>>>>>>>> Can anyone explain in more detail what this tool is capable to do >>>>>>>>>> specifically on the screen? >>>>>>>>>> because it seems to me that for this purpose we have the selector >>>>>>>>>> elements. >>>>>>>>>> with the selector elements can also view the screen and all the >>>>>>>>>> elements >>>>>>>>>> that can be found in the screen ... >>>>>>>>>> what makes this tool more? >>>>>>>>>> is this not more of the same? >>>>>>>>>> I do not understand what the speak screen will give us more than the >>>>>>>>>> selector elements. >>>>>>>>>> We can also read the entire screen with two fingers up gesture, that >>>>>>>>>> informs us of what is on the screen. >>>>>>>>>> anybody explain to me what the speak screen does most specifically? >>>>>>>>>> thanks. >>>>>>>>>> cheers. >>>>>>>>>> Em 28-06-2014 15:23, Robert C escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>> Yosemite is no harder than Apple. It could be worse, much worse. And >>>>>>>>>>> now we wait out the summer. That for some methinks will be much >>>>>>>>>>> harder >>>>>>>>>>> than learning to spell Y o s e m i t e. ;) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Quote of the nanosecond . . . >>>>>>>>>>> I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it. >>>>>>>>>>> Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn >>>>>>>>>>> E-mail- >>>>>>>>>>> gone.to.da...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/28/2014 5:05 AM, Devin Prater wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> I totally agree with the article. Even little things like the >>>>>>>>>>>> reader >>>>>>>>>>>> mode in Safari for mac and iOS, make things so simple and lovely. I >>>>>>>>>>>> can't wait to see what's new in Yosimidy though. On a side note, do >>>>>>>>>>>> they have to make OS names so hard to spell nowadays? What ever >>>>>>>>>>>> happened to simplicity there? LOL. >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2014, at 2:15 AM, Nicholas Parsons >>>>>>>>>>>> <mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thought the below article might be of interest to some on the >>>>>>>>>>>>> list. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.macstories.net/stories/an-overview-of-ios-8s-new-accessibility-features/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Since this year's WWDC keynote ended, the focus of any analysis on >>>>>>>>>>>>> iOS 8 has been its features -- things like Continuity, Extensions, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and iCloud Drive. This is, of course, expected: iOS is the >>>>>>>>>>>>> operating >>>>>>>>>>>>> system that drives Apple's most important (and most profitable) >>>>>>>>>>>>> products, so it's natural that the limelight be shone on the new >>>>>>>>>>>>> features for the mass market. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As I've written, however, the Accessibility features that Apple >>>>>>>>>>>>> includes in iOS are nonetheless just as important and >>>>>>>>>>>>> innovative as >>>>>>>>>>>>> the A-list features that Craig Federighi demoed on stage at >>>>>>>>>>>>> Moscone. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed, Apple is to be lauded for their year-over-year >>>>>>>>>>>>> commitment to >>>>>>>>>>>>> improving iOS's Accessibility feature set, and they continue that >>>>>>>>>>>>> trend with iOS 8. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Here, I run down what's new in Accessibility in iOS 8, and explain >>>>>>>>>>>>> briefly how each feature works. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex. Apple is bringing Alex, its natural-sounding voice on the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac, >>>>>>>>>>>>> to iOS. Alex will work with all of iOS's spoken audio technologies >>>>>>>>>>>>> (Siri excepted), including VoiceOver, Speak Selection, and another >>>>>>>>>>>>> new Accessibility feature to iOS 8, Speak Screen (see below). In >>>>>>>>>>>>> essence, Alex is a replacement for the robotic-sounding voice that >>>>>>>>>>>>> controls VoiceOver, et al, in iOS today. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Speak Screen. With Speak Screen, a simple gesture will prompt the >>>>>>>>>>>>> aforementioned Alex to read anything on screen, including queries >>>>>>>>>>>>> asked of Siri. This feature will be a godsend to visually impaired >>>>>>>>>>>>> users who may have issues reading what is on their iPhone and/or >>>>>>>>>>>>> iPad. It should be noted that Speak Screen is fundamentally >>>>>>>>>>>>> different from Speak Selection, which only reads aloud selected >>>>>>>>>>>>> text. By contrast, Speak Screen will read aloud everything on the >>>>>>>>>>>>> screen -- text, button labels, etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Zoom. Apple has made some welcome tweaks to its Zoom functionality >>>>>>>>>>>>> in iOS 8. The hallmark feature is users now have the ability to >>>>>>>>>>>>> specify which part of the screen is zoomed in, as well as >>>>>>>>>>>>> adjust the >>>>>>>>>>>>> level of the zoom. In particular, it's now possible to have the >>>>>>>>>>>>> virtual keyboard on screen at normal size underneath a zoomed-in >>>>>>>>>>>>> window. What this does is makes it easy to both type and see what >>>>>>>>>>>>> you're typing without having to battle the entirety of the user >>>>>>>>>>>>> interface being zoomed in. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Grayscale. iOS in and of itself doesn't have "themes" like so many >>>>>>>>>>>>> third-party apps support -- and even like OS X Yosemite's new >>>>>>>>>>>>> "dark >>>>>>>>>>>>> mode". iOS does, however, support a pseudo-theme by way of Invert >>>>>>>>>>>>> Colors (white-on-black). In iOS 8, Apple is adding a second >>>>>>>>>>>>> pseudo-theme to the system with Grayscale. With this option turned >>>>>>>>>>>>> on, the entirety of iOS's UI is turned, as the name would imply, >>>>>>>>>>>>> gray. The addition of a Grayscale is notable because it gives >>>>>>>>>>>>> those >>>>>>>>>>>>> users who have issues with colorized display -- or who simply view >>>>>>>>>>>>> darker displays better -- another way to alter the contrast of >>>>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>>>> device(s). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Guided Access. The big addition to Guided Access is that Apple is >>>>>>>>>>>>> leveraging its own new-to-iOS-8 Touch ID developer API to enable >>>>>>>>>>>>> users to be able to exit Guided Access using their scanned >>>>>>>>>>>>> fingerprint. This is a noteworthy feature because it effectively >>>>>>>>>>>>> guarantees that students (or test-takers or museum visitors) can't >>>>>>>>>>>>> leave Guided Access to access the Home screen or other parts of >>>>>>>>>>>>> iOS. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As well, Apple has added a time limit feature to Guided Access, >>>>>>>>>>>>> thereby allowing teachers, parents, and the like to specify the >>>>>>>>>>>>> length of time Guided Access is to be used. Especially in special >>>>>>>>>>>>> education classrooms, features such as Touch ID to exit and the >>>>>>>>>>>>> timer can be extremely powerful in ensuring an uninterrupted >>>>>>>>>>>>> learning experience, keeping students on task yet still set the >>>>>>>>>>>>> expectation that a transition (i.e., "You can play games now", for >>>>>>>>>>>>> instance) will take place in X minutes. In terms of behavior >>>>>>>>>>>>> modification, Guided Access's new features are potentially >>>>>>>>>>>>> game-changing, indispensable tools for educators. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Enhanced Braille Keyboard. iOS 8 adds support for 6-dot Braille >>>>>>>>>>>>> input system-wide. This feature involves a dedicated Braille >>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard that will translate 6-dot chords into text. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Made for iPhone" Hearing Aids. Apple in iOS 8 has improved its >>>>>>>>>>>>> Made >>>>>>>>>>>>> for iPhone Hearing Aids software so that now users who use hearing >>>>>>>>>>>>> aids and have multiple devices now can easily switch between them. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Moreover, if a hearing aid is paired with more than one device, >>>>>>>>>>>>> users will now be able to pick which device they'd like to use. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Third Party Keyboard API. This topic (as well as QuickType) is >>>>>>>>>>>>> worthy of its own standalone article, but the accessibility >>>>>>>>>>>>> ramifications of iOS 8's third party keyboard API are potentially >>>>>>>>>>>>> huge for those with special needs. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> A third-party keyboard on iOS 8. (Source: Apple.com) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Anecdotally speaking, I hear from several low vision iOS-using >>>>>>>>>>>>> friends who lament the default system keyboard, which is >>>>>>>>>>>>> essentially >>>>>>>>>>>>> the same keyboard that shipped with the original iPhone in >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2007. The >>>>>>>>>>>>> problem, my friends say, is that the key caps are too small and >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> glyphs too hard to read. With the new API, though, third party >>>>>>>>>>>>> developers such as the team at Fleksy can create entirely >>>>>>>>>>>>> customized >>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboards that users can use instead of the stock one. This means >>>>>>>>>>>>> developers can control key spacing and size, color, and so >>>>>>>>>>>>> forth in >>>>>>>>>>>>> an effort to create keyboards that accommodate for a wide array of >>>>>>>>>>>>> visual -- and motor -- needs. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, at WWDC I had a chance to speak with Fleksy co-founder >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> COO, Ioannis Verdelis, about the keyboard API and his company's >>>>>>>>>>>>> product. While I won't divulge anything that was said at our >>>>>>>>>>>>> meeting, suffice it to say that Ioannis and his team were >>>>>>>>>>>>> stoked at >>>>>>>>>>>>> the news of the new API, and are really excited for what they have >>>>>>>>>>>>> in the works for iOS 8. They really believe the new Fleksy will >>>>>>>>>>>>> benefit a lot of people with special needs. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Miscellany. iOS 8 brings with it a few housekeeping changes to >>>>>>>>>>>>> Settings.app, where the Accessibility options are located. For >>>>>>>>>>>>> example, the Subtitles & Captioning option -- which previously was >>>>>>>>>>>>> found under Hearing -- has been moved to a new Media section, >>>>>>>>>>>>> right >>>>>>>>>>>>> next to a new Video Descriptions toggle. Furthermore, the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Physical & >>>>>>>>>>>>> Motor pane -- home to such features as Switch Control and >>>>>>>>>>>>> AssistiveTouch -- has been rechristened Interaction. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As stated above, Apple's steadfast commitment to improving >>>>>>>>>>>>> Accessibility year after year deserves the utmost praise, and 2014 >>>>>>>>>>>>> is no different. As someone who relies on some of iOS's >>>>>>>>>>>>> Accessibility technologies in order to use my devices, the breadth >>>>>>>>>>>>> and depth of these features never cease to amaze me. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Without any tinge of hyperbole, I often marvel at how truly >>>>>>>>>>>>> Accessibility reflects Apple's ethos of designing products for >>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone, regardless of cognitive or physical impairment. (A >>>>>>>>>>>>> sentiment I have expressed numerous times elsewhere.) Again, these >>>>>>>>>>>>> are signs of real innovation, although they (unfortunately) go >>>>>>>>>>>>> largely unheralded. 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