Hi everyone, please, just a friendly reminder. This is a G-rated list when it 
comes to language.

thanks; have a great weekend!

Cheers!

Cara
On Jun 10, 2016, at 8:53 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:

Oh here we go, they haven’t released it yet and you’re all already bitchng 
about it.

How many people did I hear piss and moan years ago when touch screens came out. 
 Oh I must have a physical keyboard.  Phones will be inaccessible with out 
physical keyboards, I need to have a screen reader to install in my phone to 
use with my physical keyboard.  Then bam, Apple releases the iphone and here we 
are all using touch screens.
        Then people bitched about the loss of the old multi pin connector in 
place of the lightning and it hasn’t even happened yet but people cry about the 
loss of the headphone jack and now this touch bar.  Stop it already.  Unless 
you’ve used one you can’t comment with any degree of meaning on whether it’s 
any good or not.  Let the product come out, let people review it first or jump 
in like some of us do but try it before you bash it.  With the line of thinking 
on this list sometimes we’d all still be using holes punched in paper and an 
abacus trying to get jobs at Google.  An the first person who says the abacus 
is better than a scientific calculator or beads are our friends or what ever 
gets smacked about the head and shoulders with a trout until they stop.:)

I’m tired of it.  IF you want to be luddites that’s fine and your choice but 
come on, the same old tune is getting old.  Ihave a PDP-11 taking up space if 
anyone wants it to get off the progress band wagon.


On 6/10/16, 6:09 PM, "Daniel Miller" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf 
of miller...@gmail.com> wrote:

> If they replace the function keys with the touch sensitive bar,I  along with 
> probably most of this list will lose a lot of respect for them as a company. 
> I understand that they're supposed to integrate touch ID into this bar, but 
> there are several other places on the machine itself or touch ID could be 
> integrated without having to lose physical function keys. I have a feeling 
> the Tim Cook led Apple  is valuing form over function, which for people with 
> disabilities, isn't always the best idea. Lenovo attempted this no function 
> key idea with one of their machines, and guess what? It absolutely bombed, 
> even for people that did not have a disability.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2016, at 6:00 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Honestly, totally agreed.
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>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Miller" <miller...@gmail.com>
>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 5:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: bar instead of function keys on new Mac Book Pros?
>> 
>> 
>> I think the touch bar is stupid, enough said.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2016, at 5:01 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi there,
>>> 
>>> Rumor has it that the soon forth coming Mac book pros will feature a touch 
>>> bar instead of function keys on the keyboard.  This raises an interesting 
>>> question.  Assuming that Voice Over is turned off on any one of the new Mac 
>>> book Pros that a blind user goes up to, how is a blind person supposed to 
>>> turn on Voice Over if there are no physical function keys but instead a 
>>> touch bar?  I think maybe I can guess.  If a blind person needs to turn on 
>>> Voice OVer, it should be possible by pressing VO+touch anyware on the bar 
>>> and that should do it.  Or else, triple tap the bar to turn Voice OVer on. 
>>> I can almost imagine the e-mails now.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!!!!!
>>> 
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