Scott, Wow, do you think you could slow your roll just a tick? :)
I am really sorry you feel the way you do about me and the other mods here. If you actually knew us I think you’d be surprised. You know, you’re not the only person in this world who actually has valid opinions, emotions and life experience to back them up. So can you perhaps bear this in mind when you feel you need to yell through your keyboard? You are known to chide others for doing this; please be aware of this yourself. As for there being five-year-olds reading this list, since the list is not 18+ there actually very well may be. This language rule etc has been around here for a while and is meant to keep this list a welcome and friendly environment for everyone. -And, whether you or anyone else likes it or not, not everyone here feels comfortable with the kind of language you do. This may be for religious reasons, for age reasons or some other reason. The point here though is that since the language I was commenting on is not really necessary for the posting, and is viewed as being offensive to some listers here, I am simply reminding you and others that this is and has been, for quite some time now, a G-rated list. This is nothing new. When I inherited MacVisionaries almost ten years ago now, it was a smaller community, and was just as friendly and welcoming as it is now. I was happy to find it when I learned about it and there are others who feel the same way now. This list helped me really get going with my Mac a lot more easily than I might have done on my own. So I care about preserving this experience for others. I am really sorry you see my simple note as some sort of power trip. I am very sorry that you see some people in this community as even needing such things to feel important. Sadly, this really reflects on your own views more than others here. -And, furthermore, if you feel I somehow get off on writing this note, think again. If I or the other mods here really wanted to control people, we would simply make this a post-only list and there would be no participation at all. You’d simply receive posts from us and that would be it. This is obviously not the case. If you must know, I was not even keen on writing that note yesterday and BTW, that was not even only targeted at your language. I simply wanted to remind everyone that this is a G-rated list and that was all. Now, to keep this note in perspective, I am writing this to the list as a whole to remind all of us that all of our opinions and viewpoints are valid here. -And yes, that actually even includes us the moderators. :) -And, since we are the ones doing the work behind the scenes to keep all of you happy with the list and the list itself running smoothly, yeah, we get a little bit of a pass sometimes to allow us the leeway to actually moderate the list. Sorry if that doesn’t suit you. :) If we cannot express ourselves here to help keep the list guidelines clear for everyone then there is no point in having moderation, yes? You, yourself are a big fan of people getting to express their opinions, are you not? Why do you respond so poorly when you read something you don’t like? Saying all this, you and others here should know how many times I have kept my mouth shut because I also have the additional responsibility as a moderator and list owner to help keep this list balanced. If you or anyone else thinks that’s somehow prudish of me then I’m sorry. That’s just too bad for you. I think of everyone here, not just the mods, or a few listers. I think of all of us. Whether or not I agree with everything everyone says here is not the point. I am a moderator and a list owner. I have a responsibility to all of you. So that all of you are heard and shown respect here. So Scott, I am sorry you feel the way you do and I am hoping you can simply just relax a little bit here and simply enjoy the list for what it is. I and others here like your contributions, respect your opinions and benefit from your knowledge. Might you simply just extend the same respect and courtesy? Thanks so much to you all for reading this and I thank you for your participation here. Cheers! Cara --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/models/Cara-Quinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Jun 12, 2016, at 8:23 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: No it’s not appreciated greatly. Not even in the least. I’m sorry but G-Rated is for the children If there are 5 year olds reading the list then fine but even in that case nothing said was offensive or out of line. Nothing was said you wouldn’t say in a board meeting, work place, barber shop, café or insert your public place here. Further more none of the controlled words for broadcasting were included. Bitch and ass for example don’t have to exist after the after hours time frame that other over the air broadcasts have to adhear to. This is just another example of moderators being hypersensitive flexing muscle to feel important and almost certainly over reacting to the writings of one person off list who finds the word bitch earth shattering. These are the same bone heads who complained about Janet Jackson’s nipple (a human feature) falling out of a dress or Tom Brady mouthing the F word on the side lines. These are the same 3 people who can’t manage their own television knobs, delete keys and who hide behind religion or some sort of manufactured condition to bully the rest of us in to some sort of conformance to a prudish world that I want no part of. If you don’t like it, don’t read it, but don’t force your prudish viewpoints on the rest of the world who finds your level of restriction just as abhorrent as you find the language. Stop it all ready! On 6/11/16, 7:56 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote: > Goodness, Cara. Bless your heart. I appreciate you stepping up and saying > something. I know I contributed to a small degree, but I assure you I tried > to be incredibly sparing, if at all. I do agree it was getting a little > outta hand, so thanks for this quick note; it's appreciated greatly. Had > you not said anything, I probably would a written privately. > --- > Christopher Gilland > JAWS Certified, 2016. > Training Instructor. > > clgillan...@gmail.com > Phone: (704) 256-8010. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cara Quinn" <modelc...@gmail.com> > To: "'Adrian Leong' via MacVisionaries" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 4:13 PM > Subject: Mod note - Language -was- Re: bar instead of function keys on new > Mac Book Pros? > > > Hi everyone, please, just a friendly reminder. This is a G-rated list when > it comes to language. > > thanks; have a great weekend! > > Cheers! > > Cara > On Jun 10, 2016, at 8:53 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: > > Oh here we go, they haven’t released it yet and you’re all already bitchng > about it. > > How many people did I hear piss and moan years ago when touch screens came > out. Oh I must have a physical keyboard. Phones will be inaccessible with > out physical keyboards, I need to have a screen reader to install in my > phone to use with my physical keyboard. Then bam, Apple releases the iphone > and here we are all using touch screens. > Then people bitched about the loss of the old multi pin connector in place > of the lightning and it hasn’t even happened yet but people cry about the > loss of the headphone jack and now this touch bar. Stop it already. Unless > you’ve used one you can’t comment with any degree of meaning on whether it’s > any good or not. Let the product come out, let people review it first or > jump in like some of us do but try it before you bash it. With the line of > thinking on this list sometimes we’d all still be using holes punched in > paper and an abacus trying to get jobs at Google. An the first person who > says the abacus is better than a scientific calculator or beads are our > friends or what ever gets smacked about the head and shoulders with a trout > until they stop.:) > > I’m tired of it. IF you want to be luddites that’s fine and your choice but > come on, the same old tune is getting old. Ihave a PDP-11 taking up space > if anyone wants it to get off the progress band wagon. > > > On 6/10/16, 6:09 PM, "Daniel Miller" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on > behalf of miller...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> If they replace the function keys with the touch sensitive bar,I along >> with probably most of this list will lose a lot of respect for them as a >> company. I understand that they're supposed to integrate touch ID into >> this bar, but there are several other places on the machine itself or >> touch ID could be integrated without having to lose physical function >> keys. I have a feeling the Tim Cook led Apple is valuing form over >> function, which for people with disabilities, isn't always the best idea. >> Lenovo attempted this no function key idea with one of their machines, and >> guess what? It absolutely bombed, even for people that did not have a >> disability. >> >> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus >> >>> On Jun 10, 2016, at 6:00 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland >>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Honestly, totally agreed. >>> --- >>> Christopher Gilland >>> JAWS Certified, 2016. >>> Training Instructor. >>> >>> clgillan...@gmail.com >>> Phone: (704) 256-8010. >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Miller" <miller...@gmail.com> >>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 5:57 PM >>> Subject: Re: bar instead of function keys on new Mac Book Pros? >>> >>> >>> I think the touch bar is stupid, enough said. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus >>> >>>> On Jun 10, 2016, at 5:01 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi there, >>>> >>>> Rumor has it that the soon forth coming Mac book pros will feature a >>>> touch bar instead of function keys on the keyboard. This raises an >>>> interesting question. Assuming that Voice Over is turned off on any one >>>> of the new Mac book Pros that a blind user goes up to, how is a blind >>>> person supposed to turn on Voice Over if there are no physical function >>>> keys but instead a touch bar? I think maybe I can guess. If a blind >>>> person needs to turn on Voice OVer, it should be possible by pressing >>>> VO+touch anyware on the bar and that should do it. Or else, triple tap >>>> the bar to turn Voice OVer on. I can almost imagine the e-mails now. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the >>>> blind built-in >>>> >>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray >>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!!!!! >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>> Visionaries list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is >>>> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>> >>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>> Quinn - 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