Yep, I agree that the blindness problem should be solved. We have the
vOICe for Android and Windows, which could work out. Even if it were
ported to iOS, though, one wouldn't be able to use it as a sort of
screen reader, though, but it could work for viewing things outside of
the iPhone, like the touch screens in stores.
On 6/12/2016 9:12 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
David, I totally agree with you here. While I usually agree with the original
poster pretty consistently I have to disagree with the position on touchscreens
as well. Like it or not we live in a visual world. What there’s a few million
blind people globally, being highly overly generous what 100 million tops? Out
of 7 billion people on the planet, odds aren’t high you’re going to change
anything from the visual world it is. As I mentioned, the only true way to
solve the accessibility problem for the blind is to solve the blindness problem
which we will, given time.
Touch screens though are a huge benefit for the sited. David’s stats sound in
line to me. For many years I worked for a company who provides out of home AKA
in store advertising. When you walk in to bestbuy or Walmart and see all the
stuff streaming on the screens demonstrating products, that’s my handy work
along with several hundred other engineers from a company called Premier Retail
Network. These guys put huge dollars and research in to rolling out touch
screens for terminals around stores for the very reasons detailed here. Sited
people like to interact with devices on a visual level first and tactile
second. Reach out and touch a screen and something happens, that just hits on
all levels.
On 6/11/16, 3:50 PM, "David Chittenden" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf
of dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
Unfortunately for your position around touchscreens, they are much simpler to
use for the sighted. Touchscreens have been tested across multiple industries,
and in all cases which I have researched, they lower customer support from an
average of 12% - 15%, to 3% - 5%. Sighted people are overall much less confused
when they have direct feedback on that which they are manipulating. And, in the
sighted world, visual feedback is usually king.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
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On 12 Jun 2016, at 06:33, Sabahattin Gucukoglu <listse...@me.com> wrote:
Well, to be sure, I do think the touchscreen was a step back, but not because
of accessibility—well, not as much for accessibility. My primary complaint
with touch-screens (or, really, touch-anythings) has been the visualisation of
information, which inevitably leads to trivialisation as it needs to fit within
a simplistic UI paradigm to appeal. Contemporary example: routers set up and
configured using a touchscreen. I still remember with great fondness the old
Nokia E51. Yes, it did far less, but it also wasn’t seriously crippled in what
it could actually do, because it wasn’t constrained by good looks. Oh yeah,
and you could type faster on it, which helped.
I concur with the scepticism, but only because I think the Mac is on its last
legs. Think it’s pretty clear that Apple have shown a commitment to solving
accessibility problems; it just doesn’t look that way because of the
deterioration of OS X. But maybe I have yet to be surprised. My ears are
open. On a personal level, I find the idea of making function keys into
anything less than keyboard keys a little disconcerting, because those keys are
used by applications and other operating systems. Still, let’s see.
Here’s a thought for those talking about VoiceOver support for this touch bar
thingy: it wouldn’t work under virtualisation, with VO disabled. Are you quite
sure that this is what you want?
USB-C is fine, really. With the right adaptors (they don’t have to be Apple),
and assuming that the port is TB3-compatible, it would mean even more use of
Thunderbolt, which can hardly be regarded as A Bad Thing(TM), IMO.
No, not all change is bad, of course. It’s not always good, though, either,
and merely accepting it is no bench test. See the recent discussion on
subscriptions for a nice illustration. Personal experience says that the
optical drive connected to my iMac is by no means as important as it once was,
but I’m still grateful to have it attached. I’m afraid streaming and
cloud-based services are the culprit, which would have been OK by itself, but
also that Apple dropped them from their desktops far more recklessly than was
warranted. Apple, of course, maintains cloud-based streaming services …
Windows XP? Yeah, still the only version of Windows I use regularly (in a VM).
But only for Windowsy things like games; nothing recent. Even though I hate
what Windows is turning into, I’d *never* recommend its continued use as a
primary OS, and I agree that people who are clinging onto it for dear life at
this point are, well, being rather silly.
Anyway, carry on. :)
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