Arnold, I would agree with your assessment of the iPhones and phones in general.
I’ve been using cell phones since the analog days but it wasn’t until Mobile speak I really used one and I remember how life changing it was to be able to text and use the same phone as my sited friends. You make a very good point. > On Jul 6, 2016, at 12:52 PM, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com> wrote: > > I got an iPhone 5 in October, 2012, and now have an iPhone 6. I consider > them to be the most life changing pieces of electronics I have ever bought. I > wanted to try this Mac Mini, and am willing to give a Mac another attempt > in the future. > > Arnold Schmidt > ----- Original Message ----- From: "christopher hallsworth" > <challswor...@icloud.com> > To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 11:18 AM > Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back > > > I would have gone for an iPod. It’s an iPhone, without the phone. So you can > spend as little or as much time with it as necessary, without being tied to > any sort of contract. This was my first ever iOS device, the iPod Touch 4th > Generation, and about six months later I migrated to the iPhone 4. To date, I > have an iPod Touch 6th Generation, iPhone 5s and iPad Mini 2. I have other > Apple products, but these will be kept off the list for now. I would highly > recommend anyone to start out with an iPod before trying an iPhone. Just my > £0.02 worth and it worked like a charm for me. >> On 6 Jul 2016, at 16:00, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com> wrote: >> >> Apple is the one who imposed the deadline. I called Apple Accessibility, >> and the Apple main number, trying to get it extended, no luck. >> >> I'll bet we all know blind people who get an iPhone, and just don't seem to >> get it. They end up getting Searie to do everything for them, because they >> just never seem to have caught on to using the touch screen. By then, they >> have their iPhone, like it or not, and would have to pay a big cancellation >> fee to return it. I just didn't want to have all this money invested in >> something that I very well may, but may not have caught onto eventually. >> By no means did I expect to be fluent at it by yesterday, but I think I >> should have been getting it, a little more than I was by the deadline. I am >> not opposed to trying it again in the future. It will have to be some kind >> of cheaper alternative, though, until I feel confident that I am going to >> get it. I wish Apple had given me more time. >> >> Arnold Schmidt >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Granados >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 8:19 AM >>> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back >>> >>> Arnold, you never stood a chance. You can’t learn an operating system in 2 >>> weeks, thinking you could was unreasonable. I wouldn’t even undertake such >>> a thing with a limited time frame like that ant ai have 35 years of >>> computer experience. Also, you went in to it with the wrong mindset. I >>> remember the first posts you had set up for failure on day 1. It’s like >>> learning a language, you can’t learn it word by word or just in dribs and >>> drabs, the only real way to learn is full emersion. If I were learning >>> French I’d head to France and plop down in the middle of the country where >>> i didn’t have a choice. Same with computing. When you decide to learn a >>> new operating system you have to cut your self off from the old. You have >>> to build up all new muscle memory for keyboard commands. I’d say 10 to 1 >>> you kept issuing windows type keyboard commands on the Mac and introducing >>> problems not for anything you are doing wrong just because you’re new and >>> have built up years of muscle memory for commands in Windows. >>> You also didn’t value learning the Mac. You mentioned several times even >>> in your first post that you wouldn’t gain anything. So in the end I’m not >>> sure why you bothered. That’s like walking in to the job interview, >>> telling your self you’re not going to get the job anyway and then living up >>> to your expectations.:) If you ever try this again with any platform don’t >>> limit yourself to an unreasonable amount of time. Maybe try an operating >>> system like a Linux variant or something with is totally free out of the >>> box, won’t cause any financial pressure and you can dedicate to it with out >>> other distractions like worrying about the costs. No matter what, good >>> job or giving it a crack. It’s good to push the boundaries and I’m glad >>> you gave it a shot. >>> >>> P.S. Stay away from Costco. They totally screwed that migration from Amex. >>> I canceled my membership because of the sloppy rollout. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 4:50 AM, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I wand to thank everyone for the help I have received over the past two >>>> weeks, concerning my Mac Mini. However, I ended up taking it back after >>>> all yesterday, which was my last day to return it. >>>> >>>> To attempt to make a long message not quite so long, I guess I just wasn't >>>> getting it as much as I think I should have been. Every time I would turn >>>> it on, it seemed that I still was having to look up how to do things that >>>> I thought I had already learned, and it definitely was getting more >>>> frustrating than fun, being that I could very easily do those things in >>>> Windows, or on my iPhone. And in the end, what was going to be the real >>>> benefit to me? ITunes allegedly easier to use, and being able to install >>>> the OS myself. >>>> >>>> Being that yesterday was going to be my last day, I started out intending >>>> to put in a lot of extra time with it, before the time for my paratransit >>>> trip to return it arrived, which I still thought I was going to cancel. >>>> So, I decided to log into my bank web site, which I had not attempted yet. >>>> I successfully passed the first step in the two-step verification, but >>>> then, no matter what I tried, I couldn't get it to read the security >>>> question it wanted answered. No problem in Windows, or my iPhone, no go >>>> on this Mac mini. I could tell the location for the answer field, I >>>> could find what should have been the question field, it just wouldn't read >>>> anything. I typed in the answer to one of my security questions, which, >>>> of course, was the wrong answer for the question it was asking. I am sure >>>> the inability to get it to read the security question was mine, not the >>>> Mac Mini's . So, I closed Safari, then decided to turn on keyboard help, >>>> just to try differing combinations of keys I had never tried before to see >>>> what it would say. I was trying the function keys, and hit a key at the >>>> very right end of them, and it just shut off. Nothing I did would get >>>> VoiceOver talking again. I tried the three-finger triple tap on the track >>>> pad,then the three-finger double tap which is what it is on my iPhone, >>>> turned the track pad commander off and on, turned the whole computer off >>>> and back on, nothing. And this was my last day. >>>> >>>> I wish I had had 30 days. If I had had, I still don't think it would have >>>> gone back. But I didn't want to be one of those people who never quite >>>> got it, but it was too late to take it back, and I had over 900 dollars >>>> invested in the thing. Even though it would have put me lower in my >>>> checking account than I wanted to be, I should have kept the Windows >>>> 10 Lenovo I bought from Costco, and the Mac Mini, too, knowing one of them >>>> was going back. I bought the Lenovo first, after having talked myself out >>>> of buying a Mac, again. Sometime before Microsoft stops supporting Vista >>>> next spring, there will be another good deal come through Costco. >>>> >>>> I always had wanted to try a Mac, I am glad I did. But it ended up being >>>> so much tedium and frustration to me, as compared to what I already know, >>>> with not all that much seeming benefit in the end. I fully expected not to >>>> know what I was doing for a while, but I thought it would have begun to >>>> get easier by yesterday, which, I guess, it wasn't, even with the two >>>> books I have. >>>> >>>> Arnold Schmidt >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>> Visionaries list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>> >>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>> Quinn - 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