I'm glad to know I'm not alone in feeling that Braille on Mac, even
Sierra is non-delightful/productive. It's too bad,, as it's quite good
on iOS. It's great that Chrome OS (ChromeBook) Braille support has
improved greatly and has leaped other platforms with ChromeVox Next.
On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 1:26 PM Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com
<mailto:kgli...@icloud.com>> wrote:
I have given up using braille on the Mac as it's hopeless. I
don't think Apple will do anything to improve it. At least Apple
have got it right on the I phone as I love it.
Kawal.
> On 19 Oct 2016, at 19:09, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se
<mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>
> Hi!
> To be honest i seldom use braille on my mac as its decades from
how good it works on windows and Linux.
> I have mailed the accessibility team about how poor braille is
imho but with no luck.
> So i gave it up a couple of years ago.
> Maybe i should begin from scratch again.
> /A
>> On 14 Oct 2016, at 23:55, Christopher-Mark Gilland
<clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> That's exactly what I did. I set up a commander to mute Speech.
I really wonder why they didn't natively give us a command to do
this aside from the trackpad commander. What if you're like me,
and don't have a track/touch pad? I really don't think Apple
thought that one through the greatest. LOL!
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>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aleeha Dudley"
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>> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 5:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: Braille Navigation annoyances
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>> For the speech when moving between items, could you mute
VoiceOver while reading to solve this issue by ensuring that
keyboard commander is on with VO shift K and pressing right option d?
>> Second, I can duplicate the issue of routing keys not working,
both on a BrailleNote Apex BT 32 and a Brailliant BI 32. I don’t
know what’s going on, but it’s really annoying. Anyone who can
help with this would be awesome.
>> HTH,
>> Aleeha
>>> On Oct 14, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Chris Gilland
<clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Guys,
>>>
>>> I am currently using a braille display with my Mac Mini Late
2012 on El Capitan.
>>>
>>> I have a few questions, please.
>>>
>>> First off, I am using contracted braille, and have disabled
dot 7 8 braille. I’m noticing that when typing in a text field,
be it in Text Edit, Pages, Mail, wherever, it doesn’t matter at
all, even though contracted braille is enabled, I’m finding that
the current word under the cursor is getting expanded to computer
braille. I’ve looked in the Voiceover utility under the Braille
category and automatic translation is unchecked. That’s the only
thing I can thing that would control this behavior. Regardless,
that isn’t working. Is there a way to turn that off, so it
contracts regardless?
>>>
>>> Second of all is a much more aggravating problem by far and away!
>>>
>>> When I am reading a document in Safari, or say somewhere with
an html element, like a web area in ITunes, or whatever, point is,
it’s a web html content area, Each paragraph if a seperet item as
far as Voiceover is concerned. I’m using DOM order, and I don’t
have any desire to change that. This is absolutely fine, but the
problem lies in panning with the display. Regardless if I’m using
my big Alva Satelite 584 Pro, which is my primary display, or I’m
using my Pacmate BX Omni 20 cell while on the go, I find that as
soon as I pan the display to the right and it leaves one item and
moves to the next, Voiceover starts audibly, with Alex, reading
that next item. I know it’s simply doing that because of the fact
I transitioned from the previous item to another item. The issue
is, it really is very distracting when I’m in the heat of reading
a really good article. Then, I have to take my hands off the
display, hit the control key on the keyboard to shut up Alex, then
go back to the display, and continue. It really really breaks the
flow of things. I don’t mind Voiceover doing this normally, but
there are times I’d rather be able to pan, and even if I leave one
item and move to another, I’d rather it reflect that on the
display, yes, but Voiceover not speak at all, if all I’m doing is
panning. It’s fine if one item takes more than one pan to
complete, so say on my 20 cell display, an item is over 20
characters. If I pan past the 20th cell to the 21st cell of the
item, that is fine. It’s when I reach the end of the item, then
try moving to the next item there after that this problem is occuring.
>>>
>>> The final question I have is regarding my routing keys on my
display. I don’t understand why, but even in Sierra, this is an
issue. For some b izarre reason, my routing keys are not working
at all on my Alva Satelite Pro 584. It’s the most weirdest
thing! My PM20 display works fine. Another friend of mine who
also owns an Alva Satelite tried to reproduce the problem, and he
can as well. So clearly, something’s either broken or not set by
default. I didn’t think the routing keys had to be set.
>>>
>>> So, say I’m editting a document, and I find a typo. I should
be able to press the router butting directly above the error to
move my insertion point to that character and fix the mistake. I
can’t. When I try, it just dings at me. This is both again on
Sierra, as well as on El Capitan. It works, as I said with my PM
display, just not with the Alva. I’ve tried both the top, and the
bottom row of routing keys to no avale. I don’t think these need
to be mapped, as with the PM display plugged in, I went to the VO
Utility/Braille, then on the braille display tab, under Assign
commands, I don’t see those keys individually mapped. On the PM
display, they just work. So I don’t think this is a mapping issue.
>>>
>>> When I go into the setup within the actual firmware itself of
the Alva display, the routing keys are not disabled. So, yeah…
I’m totally stumped.
>>>
>>> I should add that on the Windows side of things on my Win XP
machine with JAWS 15, the routing keys work perfectly, so it’s
definitely not a hardware malfuntion.
>>>
>>> Any help with these things would be appreciated. I suppose I
could call Accessibility, but the last time I did and asked them
about anything braille related, they didn’t have the slightest
clue, and normally haven’t other times as well that I called about
braille. I guess they just are not trained on anything braille
related, which is a bloody crying shame!
>>>
>>> Anyway, can anyone help with these things?
>>>
>>> Chris.
>>>
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