John, 1 message is enough to put your message across. I've had at least 4 of these.
Please check your settings in your mail client. To make sure it's sending only one copy simon -----Original Message----- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John André Netland Sent: Wednesday, 23 December 2009 10:43 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: We better keep this going! Hi, Well, I think you forget one important point in this discussion; The Mac and the iPhone/iPod Touch not only speaks out of the box in the Apple Store, it also talks without any additional software on any Mac and any iPHone/iPod Touch your friends, your family, your internet cafés, your library, your school, your university, your work etc etc have at their location. So, you are not forced to use only your own special edited and pre-installed PC at home or at work, with only one authorization available. You are free to use any Mac/iPHone/iPod Touch on this planet. If your unit is stolen, lost, broken or simply not where you currently are, there are always another one available. No re-installing, re-authorization, help to perform installation etc etc. That is a consept I like, and would like to benefit from. In addition, my Mac and iPHone is currently what makes me productive and able to run my business with success. NOt that I could not do just that with a PC, but not with that kind of freedom. Just my little point of view on this subject. Smiles. Take care, and have a lovely Christmas everyone! John André On 22. des. 2009, at 22.13, Tyler Littlefield wrote: > I believe you should re-read my message. I said VO still needs help, not "I still need help." > While a computer that talks off-the-shelf is great, that's no reason to tell someone they need to buy the mac. While I like the mac, the cost really doesn't balance out having a computer that talks in the apple store. > > I still stand by what I've said since I received voiceover. There are some things that VO does and doesn't do better than Jaws. I think we should be looking at what the reader gives us when advertizing it rather than saying "You can use this in the store." Because in reality it doesn't really matter to our productivity if it works off the shelf. While I think the IPhone is great, as I said, I will be buying something that isn't an IPhone because of it's voice active issues. Reading off a number while being with someone if you want to three-way-call is quite annoying in its self, much less having to make sure things are quiet. > On Dec 22, 2009, at 1:34 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> Tyler, >> >> I do not understand your comment below. What does it talking out of the box have to do with whether you need help. I do not understand the connection. Can you elaborate? >> >> On Dec 22, 2009, at 2:04 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote: >> >>> Sure, but just because it talks out of the box doesn't mean much. Don't get me wrong, I love my VO, but there still are things that it needs help with. >>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>> >>>> ALthough I agree there needs to be no mission in converting folks,, I do believe it makes sense to let any and all know. Whether you like the iPhone or not is in my mind irrelevant. What is relevant is the fact that finally now a blind or visually impaired person can now go into a store and purchase an accessible product, whether that be a computer, iPhone, or iPod, and not have to purchase additional and expensive software makes a tremendous difference. >>>> I think there is more to be gained by proving the Mac or other offerings by Apple are viable solutions is what will sell the product to a blind or visually impaired user honestly. >>>> >>>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 12:58 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote: >>>> >>>>> The iphone seems nice enough, but lets not go on a converting rampage. I'm personally getting something else, because I don't like the iphone, even if we had service for it where I'm at. >>>>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:46 AM, Jess wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi folks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, I'm getting the IPhone 3 GS today. But more than that, folks, we need to keep the trend of switching to the Mac and IPhone going. The more people we have switching, the more inclined Apple will be to continue support and development for Voice OVer. >>>>>> For the first time, I can walk into a store, pick up a phone, and have it talk out of the box. I don't have to have this special software that makes my phone accessible, and explain to people, oh, this is special software that reads aloud what you see on the screen. When I mention to people that I am going to get the IPhone, I feel a great deal of satisfaction that people don't look at me and go, well Jess, youre blind, so how the hell will you be able to use it? It's awesome that I can be treated as an equal. We half! to keep this trend up! Otherwise, what we have waited for, hoped for, and longed for, access to something right out of the box, will soon be gone forever! And by the way, every time I try to convince someone that accessibility is a right and we have the right to have 100 percent access to everything we buy, that argument that we are to small of a market is always what I get. I'm sorry, but Apple is proving that argument to be void, and I have never agreed with it and never will. 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