Donna,
Its easier with a keyboard and a braille display. Keep in mind the iPad uses containers. For instance, when you select settings, the options show up in a separate container on the right. You cannot use the navigate to first or last item in there. These will not take you to the first or last item in the container. Not sure what specific keyboard commands there are, I spent more time setting up the braille display.

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On 2/24/2019 6:43 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Hey again, Mark,

I'm having trouble getting used to navigating the screen, too.  At this point, 
I find I'm doing a lot more swiping around, which kind of negates the benefits 
of a touch screen.  But for example, it seems like the only way I can get out 
of a settings menu is to swipe all the way back through the options until I 
hear the back button spoken.  If anyone has pointers for navigating the larger 
screen, they would be appreciated.

As for holding the device, I bought a Logitech keyboard case with mine, so my 
plan is that often at least, I will just set it in my lap or on a surface, like 
I would a laptop.  I'm actually starting to wonder to what point this thing can 
become a laptop replacement.
Cheers,
Donna

On Feb 24, 2019, at 12:38 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:

Hello Donna.

Wow!  Good for you.  Congratulations on your new iPad.

I purchased an iPad Pro 10.5 inch.

I purchased the Pro because I wanted faster speed, along with TouchID and the 
ability to use the Apple Smart keyboard.  Also, Pro has four amazing speakers.

Now because of a home office computer catastrophe that has since been resolved, 
even though I've owned my iPad since Monday, I've only spent about 2 hours 
working with it, so far.

I'll tell you that, while I love the sound quality of the device and the 
display is amazing, I'm having a bit of a problem getting used to VoiceOver on 
the larger display.

I don't like the split screen effect which, when I look at it with my eyes, 
makes sense.  From a blindness perspective, however, I prefer iPhone, so far.

What I mean by the split screen effect is the fact that when you land on 
General settings, on the left side of the display, all of the sub items are 
located to the right.  I get it, I just don't like it because it feels as 
though I am compelled to use both hands to navigate.

Also, I cannot, as yet, get used to holding the device.  I'm so used to holding 
iPhone in my left hand and using my left thumb to navigate the display.  
However, with the size of iPad, my left hand gets so very tired, very quickly.

By the way, I have the recently released iPad 128 in the house, also and there 
is definitely a speed difference between the 128, which was recently released 
and iPad Pro 10.5.  The 128, is noticeably slower, in my opinion.  It should 
be, the cost is around $250 as opposed to $1000 for iPad Pro 256GB.

It's funny, when I went to Apple on Monday, they did virtually everything in 
their power to convince me not to buy iPad Pro 10.5, with cellular.

They were really pushing the latest iPad Pro and they even went so far as to 
push iPad 128.

In fact, I went through 5 sales people, re-entering the store 4 times, before I 
found someone from whom I felt comfortable buying iPad Pro 10.5.

One sales person advised that I not buy iPad Pro 10.5, go home, think about it, 
then come back and buy the latest iPad Pro.  I told all of them that I had 
absolutely no intention of buying anything with FaceID, at this time.

One more thing, I am finding it extremely difficult and frustrating using the 
onscreen keyboard with VoiceOver.  In fact, in many instances, I am using the 
Apple Smart keyboard to enter passwords and search terms although I, so far, am 
not a big fan of the Smart keyboard, either.  In short, the iPad onscreen 
keyboard looks markedly different from iPhone.  I did not expect this.

In so many ways, it feels as though I am having to re-learn iOS; something I 
definitely didn't expect.

Be this as it may, I am in this for the long run and will definitely keep my 
iPad Pro 10.5.

Mark
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Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2019 10:20 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any good reason to own both an iPhone and an iPad?

Well, I'm now the proud owner of a 2018 iPad, and a Logictech keyboard case.  
This sets a record for my most expensive impulse buy.  Feeling very glad for 
BestBuy's two-week return policy. lol

Guess I'm off to play!
Cheers,
Donna


On Feb 23, 2019, at 11:03 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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  I need to set this up again when I find a victim, err, a volunteer, so I can 
make some practice runs and make sure I csan do this on the fly. The Focus Blue 
5th as made this so simple and so far I like the wauy it all works. For this I 
use the Drafts app because it opens directly to the text field.

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On 2/23/2019 8:49 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Hey ET,
That’s an interesting set up. I’ve always hated having to choose between a 
braille display and a qwerty keyboard, so that actually sounds kind of 
attractive. Thanks.
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 23, 2019, at 10:38 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:

  If you are ready now, there is no reason to wait for a new model.
If everyone was to wait for the next generation, they may as well,
well, wait forever. (smiles)

  I have the mini 4. Its main purpose is as a backup should something happen to 
my hearing. Its in a case with a qwerty keyboard. Pair the mini with a braille 
display and I can communicate with others.

  I don't use it much currently but that will change.

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On 2/23/2019 7:48 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Thanks.  I'll check out 9-5 Mac and see what I can learn.  But since I envision 
the iPad being a very secondary device, I'm not sure I need the latest and 
greatest.
Cheers,
Donna
On Feb 23, 2019, at 9:34 AM, ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

2 things.  First, if you're considering an iPad, I would hold off as if your 
looking at a mini, apple says they are releasing an iPad mini 5th gen some time 
this year.  I think 9-5 mac has articles suggesting such.

Second.  The iPad mini is good for the simple fact that it is only about 7 
inches and is great as a small device  if you do not have a laptop and you can 
always get a keyboard to use with it if you do not have one already.  I would 
be interested in other people's thought as well.

Matthew



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Subject: Any good reason to own both an iPhone and an iPad?

Hi all,

OK, so Mark has re-awakened the bug in me, and I'm thinking about buying an 
iPad mini.  But I'd like to do a sensibility check first.

I've been curious about learning Swift ever since Apple released Swift 
Playgrounds.  However, my interest is largely as a hobby, I don't see myself 
suddenly embarking on a career as an app developer.  With that in mind, I'm 
wondering if buying an iPad is just a silly expensive purchase.  Other than the 
Swift Playgrounds issue, I've always felt like an iPad would just be redundant, 
since I have no need whatsoever for the extra screen real-estate.  so here's my 
question.  Do any of you own both an iPhone and an iPad?  If so, what is the 
value of having both devices?  What niche or need does the iPad fill that the 
phone does not?

Thanks in advance for any input.
Cheers,
Donna

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