Hey again, Mark,

I'm having trouble getting used to navigating the screen, too.  At this point, 
I find I'm doing a lot more swiping around, which kind of negates the benefits 
of a touch screen.  But for example, it seems like the only way I can get out 
of a settings menu is to swipe all the way back through the options until I 
hear the back button spoken.  If anyone has pointers for navigating the larger 
screen, they would be appreciated.

As for holding the device, I bought a Logitech keyboard case with mine, so my 
plan is that often at least, I will just set it in my lap or on a surface, like 
I would a laptop.  I'm actually starting to wonder to what point this thing can 
become a laptop replacement.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Feb 24, 2019, at 12:38 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hello Donna.
> 
> Wow!  Good for you.  Congratulations on your new iPad.
> 
> I purchased an iPad Pro 10.5 inch.
> 
> I purchased the Pro because I wanted faster speed, along with TouchID and the 
> ability to use the Apple Smart keyboard.  Also, Pro has four amazing speakers.
> 
> Now because of a home office computer catastrophe that has since been 
> resolved, even though I've owned my iPad since Monday, I've only spent about 
> 2 hours working with it, so far.  
> 
> I'll tell you that, while I love the sound quality of the device and the 
> display is amazing, I'm having a bit of a problem getting used to VoiceOver 
> on the larger display.  
> 
> I don't like the split screen effect which, when I look at it with my eyes, 
> makes sense.  From a blindness perspective, however, I prefer iPhone, so far. 
>  
> 
> What I mean by the split screen effect is the fact that when you land on 
> General settings, on the left side of the display, all of the sub items are 
> located to the right.  I get it, I just don't like it because it feels as 
> though I am compelled to use both hands to navigate.
> 
> Also, I cannot, as yet, get used to holding the device.  I'm so used to 
> holding iPhone in my left hand and using my left thumb to navigate the 
> display.  However, with the size of iPad, my left hand gets so very tired, 
> very quickly.  
> 
> By the way, I have the recently released iPad 128 in the house, also and 
> there is definitely a speed difference between the 128, which was recently 
> released and iPad Pro 10.5.  The 128, is noticeably slower, in my opinion.  
> It should be, the cost is around $250 as opposed to $1000 for iPad Pro 256GB. 
>  
> 
> It's funny, when I went to Apple on Monday, they did virtually everything in 
> their power to convince me not to buy iPad Pro 10.5, with cellular.
> 
> They were really pushing the latest iPad Pro and they even went so far as to 
> push iPad 128.  
> 
> In fact, I went through 5 sales people, re-entering the store 4 times, before 
> I found someone from whom I felt comfortable buying iPad Pro 10.5.
> 
> One sales person advised that I not buy iPad Pro 10.5, go home, think about 
> it, then come back and buy the latest iPad Pro.  I told all of them that I 
> had absolutely no intention of buying anything with FaceID, at this time.
> 
> One more thing, I am finding it extremely difficult and frustrating using the 
> onscreen keyboard with VoiceOver.  In fact, in many instances, I am using the 
> Apple Smart keyboard to enter passwords and search terms although I, so far, 
> am not a big fan of the Smart keyboard, either.  In short, the iPad onscreen 
> keyboard looks markedly different from iPhone.  I did not expect this.  
> 
> In so many ways, it feels as though I am having to re-learn iOS; something I 
> definitely didn't expect.  
> 
> Be this as it may, I am in this for the long run and will definitely keep my 
> iPad Pro 10.5.
> 
> Mark
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2019 10:20 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Any good reason to own both an iPhone and an iPad?
> 
> Well, I'm now the proud owner of a 2018 iPad, and a Logictech keyboard case.  
> This sets a record for my most expensive impulse buy.  Feeling very glad for 
> BestBuy's two-week return policy. lol
> 
> Guess I'm off to play!
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Feb 23, 2019, at 11:03 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  I need to set this up again when I find a victim, err, a volunteer, so I 
>> can make some practice runs and make sure I csan do this on the fly. The 
>> Focus Blue 5th as made this so simple and so far I like the wauy it all 
>> works. For this I use the Drafts app because it opens directly to the text 
>> field.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>> true?
>> 
>> On 2/23/2019 8:49 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Hey ET,
>>> That’s an interesting set up. I’ve always hated having to choose between a 
>>> braille display and a qwerty keyboard, so that actually sounds kind of 
>>> attractive. Thanks.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> On Feb 23, 2019, at 10:38 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>  If you are ready now, there is no reason to wait for a new model. 
>>>> If everyone was to wait for the next generation, they may as well, 
>>>> well, wait forever. (smiles)
>>>> 
>>>>  I have the mini 4. Its main purpose is as a backup should something 
>>>> happen to my hearing. Its in a case with a qwerty keyboard. Pair the mini 
>>>> with a braille display and I can communicate with others.
>>>> 
>>>>  I don't use it much currently but that will change.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>>>> true?
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2/23/2019 7:48 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>> Thanks.  I'll check out 9-5 Mac and see what I can learn.  But since I 
>>>>> envision the iPad being a very secondary device, I'm not sure I need the 
>>>>> latest and greatest.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> On Feb 23, 2019, at 9:34 AM, ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2 things.  First, if you're considering an iPad, I would hold off as if 
>>>>>> your looking at a mini, apple says they are releasing an iPad mini 5th 
>>>>>> gen some time this year.  I think 9-5 mac has articles suggesting such.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Second.  The iPad mini is good for the simple fact that it is only about 
>>>>>> 7 inches and is great as a small device  if you do not have a laptop and 
>>>>>> you can always get a keyboard to use with it if you do not have one 
>>>>>> already.  I would be interested in other people's thought as well.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Matthew
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2019 8:59 AM
>>>>>> To: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>> <Macvisionaries@Googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Any good reason to own both an iPhone and an iPad?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> OK, so Mark has re-awakened the bug in me, and I'm thinking about buying 
>>>>>> an iPad mini.  But I'd like to do a sensibility check first.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've been curious about learning Swift ever since Apple released Swift 
>>>>>> Playgrounds.  However, my interest is largely as a hobby, I don't see 
>>>>>> myself suddenly embarking on a career as an app developer.  With that in 
>>>>>> mind, I'm wondering if buying an iPad is just a silly expensive 
>>>>>> purchase.  Other than the Swift Playgrounds issue, I've always felt like 
>>>>>> an iPad would just be redundant, since I have no need whatsoever for the 
>>>>>> extra screen real-estate.  so here's my question.  Do any of you own 
>>>>>> both an iPhone and an iPad?  If so, what is the value of having both 
>>>>>> devices?  What niche or need does the iPad fill that the phone does not?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks in advance for any input.
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Donna
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