I'll just become ultra-synical here and say they love it when it doesn't interfear with there long standing computer related screen reader interests, but have been known in ast to praise something like the iphone for it's independant operating-system based speech while saying it's a bad thing to do on a computer.
On 2010-04-15, at 4:22 AM, James & Nash wrote: > Although i've already posted on this, I just wanted to add that despite the > criticism that has been levelled at NFB - and rightly, they have commended > Apple's commitment to accesibility on the IPad. > TC > James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny > On 15 Apr 2010, at 09:16, Rob wrote: > >> Thank you for your input, Nic. Much appreciated. :) >> >> Sent from my iPod >> >> On Apr 15, 2010, at 1:12 AM, Charlie Doremus <giantdolp...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I would also like to thank you, Nic, for saving my bacon. Like Anne I was >>> going to take issue with NFB and others who love to gripe for the sake of >>> griping. You saved me from being called tactless twice in the same week. >>> Even though I don't use Jaws the idea of uninstall, install, uninstall, >>> install, no matter what program, gives me the creeps. >>> >>> Sent from the iPad I wish I had >>> >>> On Apr 14, 2010, at 9:30 PM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Nic, >>>> >>>> Thank you for this post. You've just saved me from going on a major rant >>>> along the same lines. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Anne >>>> >>>> On Apr 15, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I seriously doubt that is the case. Apple accessibility has been around >>>>> for six years now, not three. I doubt NFB had anything to do with it. >>>>> Apple is going to keep it up because they are committed. The article >>>>> about the lawsuit doesn't actually mention Apple much. >>>>> >>>>> There is actually a very good point of view. Apple poses a threat to the >>>>> NFB of taking over the technical market. This is why NFB did not sue >>>>> Skype, but Apple. Agreement or not, I'm pretty sure they listened to >>>>> users using Outspoken and such, rather than an organization that can't >>>>> even review the product properly when it is out. Apple has done far more >>>>> than anyone for accessibility improvements. Apple said they had something >>>>> in store, and they sure did. I of course realize that it is a pretty >>>>> serious statement. Of course, I am not particularly a fan of the NFB at >>>>> all. Saying that, NFB has made some seriously inaccurate statements as >>>>> well, far outweighing mine. NFB actually has no reason to sue Apple. What >>>>> would they sue them for, exactly? Because their products are accessible, >>>>> and they want everyone to pay more than what a Macbook costs for >>>>> assistive technology? That wouldn't actually surprise me much. It's all >>>>> about competition. If they think they're about to be kicked out, of >>>>> course they would consider Apple a threat. Because Apple has done >>>>> something Microsoft has not. All these things sound really twisted and >>>>> disgusting to me. >>>>> >>>>> Apple can hardly be sued for their effort. Their lawsuit had to do with >>>>> iTunes on the Windows side. Fair enough, but that is a pretty ridiculous >>>>> suit if it really is based on accessibility. That is not the case, >>>>> however, as there are plenty of other useful programs for PCs that are >>>>> not anywhere near as accessible as iTunes 9. And NFB doesn't care about >>>>> that. Which, again, leads me to believe that, because NFB is scared of >>>>> being kicked out, they do everything they can to stop people buying their >>>>> product. That would make sense. >>>>> >>>>> Windows users rely on scripts all the time to use any application. I >>>>> suggest you look through your jAWS folder to see what I mean. Have you >>>>> even seen just the download size of a JAWS installation? It's outrageous. >>>>> People who moan about iTunes not being accessible just because the >>>>> interface accidentally broke, just need to use scripts like they do for >>>>> everything else. I'm surprised that wasn't their first complaint. JAWS, >>>>> or just Windows in general, isn't even that stable. If JAWS crashes, it's >>>>> stupidly difficult most of the time to reload the product. Even if you >>>>> manage to do so, you will probably run into the screen not being read >>>>> correctly when reading list boxes or with the cursor. Or, the worst-case >>>>> scenario. You have to uninstall JAWS 11 after attempting to install Video >>>>> Intercept, reinstall JAWS 10, install VIdeo Intercept, uninstall JAWS 10 >>>>> then reinstall JAWS 11. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe I'm slamming the NFB a bit, but really, they need a kick in the >>>>> ass. I'm just happy the Danish blindness organizations are not this >>>>> corrupt and twisted, and they actually review fairly and take a proper >>>>> look at what a company offers before suing them. I'll always be negative >>>>> about the NFB, though I am actually being neutral when talking about the >>>>> actual lawsuit itself. >>>>> >>>>> Say what you want to, it won't change my mind. Even if it is someone from >>>>> NFB saying it. Some NFB people are great. Some do incredibly good >>>>> reviews. Some don't. And in whole, I think the organization just sucks >>>>> for filing unnecessary lawsuits for nothing. Maybe I'm going on a >>>>> childish tantrum here, perhaps. But once in a while, you need to. A >>>>> company is trying to provide great accessibility for their products, and >>>>> they are sued because of one problem. iTunes is actually still useful on >>>>> the Windows side, people. Quit your darn nitpicking. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Nic >>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>> My Twitter >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 15, 2010, at 8:08 AM, Rob Lambert wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I just got wind, from a friend of mine, that the only reason Apple is >>>>>> accessible to us is because of a lawsuit by the NFB. The term of the >>>>>> agreement was for accessibility improvements for three years. Here's a >>>>>> question. First, what's your side of this ordeal? Second, who thinks >>>>>> Apple will keep up with the accessibility improvements after this three >>>>>> year term is up? 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