Although i've already posted on this, I just wanted to add that despite the criticism that has been levelled at NFB - and rightly, they have commended Apple's commitment to accesibility on the IPad. TC James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny On 15 Apr 2010, at 09:16, Rob wrote:
> Thank you for your input, Nic. Much appreciated. :) > > Sent from my iPod > > On Apr 15, 2010, at 1:12 AM, Charlie Doremus <giantdolp...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I would also like to thank you, Nic, for saving my bacon. Like Anne I was >> going to take issue with NFB and others who love to gripe for the sake of >> griping. You saved me from being called tactless twice in the same week. >> Even though I don't use Jaws the idea of uninstall, install, uninstall, >> install, no matter what program, gives me the creeps. >> >> Sent from the iPad I wish I had >> >> On Apr 14, 2010, at 9:30 PM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote: >> >>> Hello Nic, >>> >>> Thank you for this post. You've just saved me from going on a major rant >>> along the same lines. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Anne >>> >>> On Apr 15, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I seriously doubt that is the case. Apple accessibility has been around >>>> for six years now, not three. I doubt NFB had anything to do with it. >>>> Apple is going to keep it up because they are committed. The article about >>>> the lawsuit doesn't actually mention Apple much. >>>> >>>> There is actually a very good point of view. Apple poses a threat to the >>>> NFB of taking over the technical market. This is why NFB did not sue >>>> Skype, but Apple. Agreement or not, I'm pretty sure they listened to users >>>> using Outspoken and such, rather than an organization that can't even >>>> review the product properly when it is out. Apple has done far more than >>>> anyone for accessibility improvements. Apple said they had something in >>>> store, and they sure did. I of course realize that it is a pretty serious >>>> statement. Of course, I am not particularly a fan of the NFB at all. >>>> Saying that, NFB has made some seriously inaccurate statements as well, >>>> far outweighing mine. NFB actually has no reason to sue Apple. What would >>>> they sue them for, exactly? Because their products are accessible, and >>>> they want everyone to pay more than what a Macbook costs for assistive >>>> technology? That wouldn't actually surprise me much. It's all about >>>> competition. If they think they're about to be kicked out, of course they >>>> would consider Apple a threat. Because Apple has done something Microsoft >>>> has not. All these things sound really twisted and disgusting to me. >>>> >>>> Apple can hardly be sued for their effort. Their lawsuit had to do with >>>> iTunes on the Windows side. Fair enough, but that is a pretty ridiculous >>>> suit if it really is based on accessibility. That is not the case, >>>> however, as there are plenty of other useful programs for PCs that are not >>>> anywhere near as accessible as iTunes 9. And NFB doesn't care about that. >>>> Which, again, leads me to believe that, because NFB is scared of being >>>> kicked out, they do everything they can to stop people buying their >>>> product. That would make sense. >>>> >>>> Windows users rely on scripts all the time to use any application. I >>>> suggest you look through your jAWS folder to see what I mean. Have you >>>> even seen just the download size of a JAWS installation? It's outrageous. >>>> People who moan about iTunes not being accessible just because the >>>> interface accidentally broke, just need to use scripts like they do for >>>> everything else. I'm surprised that wasn't their first complaint. JAWS, or >>>> just Windows in general, isn't even that stable. If JAWS crashes, it's >>>> stupidly difficult most of the time to reload the product. Even if you >>>> manage to do so, you will probably run into the screen not being read >>>> correctly when reading list boxes or with the cursor. Or, the worst-case >>>> scenario. You have to uninstall JAWS 11 after attempting to install Video >>>> Intercept, reinstall JAWS 10, install VIdeo Intercept, uninstall JAWS 10 >>>> then reinstall JAWS 11. >>>> >>>> Maybe I'm slamming the NFB a bit, but really, they need a kick in the ass. >>>> I'm just happy the Danish blindness organizations are not this corrupt and >>>> twisted, and they actually review fairly and take a proper look at what a >>>> company offers before suing them. I'll always be negative about the NFB, >>>> though I am actually being neutral when talking about the actual lawsuit >>>> itself. >>>> >>>> Say what you want to, it won't change my mind. Even if it is someone from >>>> NFB saying it. Some NFB people are great. Some do incredibly good reviews. >>>> Some don't. And in whole, I think the organization just sucks for filing >>>> unnecessary lawsuits for nothing. Maybe I'm going on a childish tantrum >>>> here, perhaps. But once in a while, you need to. A company is trying to >>>> provide great accessibility for their products, and they are sued because >>>> of one problem. iTunes is actually still useful on the Windows side, >>>> people. Quit your darn nitpicking. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Nic >>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>> AIM: cincinster >>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>> Facebook Profile >>>> My Twitter >>>> >>>> On Apr 15, 2010, at 8:08 AM, Rob Lambert wrote: >>>> >>>>> I just got wind, from a friend of mine, that the only reason Apple is >>>>> accessible to us is because of a lawsuit by the NFB. The term of the >>>>> agreement was for accessibility improvements for three years. Here's a >>>>> question. First, what's your side of this ordeal? Second, who thinks >>>>> Apple will keep up with the accessibility improvements after this three >>>>> year term is up? 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