I agree, But they are options non the less inferrior ones. lol. I want an iPhone but I hate their plan. with sprint unlimited data includes text and mms. We also have mobile to mobile to all cell phones in the U.S. On Jun 20, 2010, at 10:11 PM, Larry Wanger wrote:
> The options before June of last year were to use one of the phones from LG or > other providers that offered limited access to basic phone functions or to > purchase one of the phones and put Talks or one of the other speech programs > on it. And, after using the iPhone, I really think those solutions were sub > par. The iPhone is far better than those solutions. > > On Jun 20, 2010, at 6:23 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> Only realistic option? So what were blind people using before last June? I >> agree the iPhone gives the most accessibility for the best overall price but >> it's not the only game in town. >> On Jun 20, 2010, at 8:47 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: >> >>> yes and only 1 for the I phone the only realistic accessibility solutionfor >>> portable use >>> On Jun 18, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>> >>>> Not enough competition? >>>> >>>> I can think of 4 other carriers off the top of my head. How much >>>> competition is needed? >>>> On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Ryan Mann wrote: >>>> >>>>> I agree with you Donna. The problem is that there is not much >>>>> competition in the phone carrier market in the United States, so Atnt is >>>>> not really motivated to beaf up their network. For a perspective on why >>>>> this is bad for consumers, read http://www.freepress.net/node/80372. >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:31 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Good points, but I wonder if you're right about people being more >>>>>> careful. I'm sure that some will, but many will probably just pay for >>>>>> the larger amount of data, and continue their current behavior. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think the better solution to the problem you're talking about would be >>>>>> for ATT to get their act together and build a decent infrastructure. >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Donna >>>>>> On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> You know, I was angry about this. The more I think about it, though, >>>>>>> the more I like it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Recently, when I travel to any large urban center in the US, network >>>>>>> performance on my phone becomes degraded. Didn't used to be that way. >>>>>>> Has become much worse in the last year or so. I know that is because, >>>>>>> in large part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. >>>>>>> Previously, those people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to >>>>>>> affectively do anything on a smartphone that would consume a lot of >>>>>>> bandwidth. Now, anyone can go get a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up >>>>>>> all the bandwidth for $30 per month. You don't need many of those >>>>>>> people in your area before most of the network capacity is gone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can >>>>>>> afford to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that >>>>>>> most people won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully >>>>>>> consider what they're doing before they leave Pandora running on their >>>>>>> iPhone all day at their desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the >>>>>>> cell, etc. They'll be worried about bills now, which means they'll stay >>>>>>> off the network, which means more bandwidth for me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use >>>>>>> or all you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think >>>>>>> of those web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, >>>>>>> the bandwidth for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for >>>>>>> the other thousand sites that they host are unlimited. The result is >>>>>>> that you can download all you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a >>>>>>> buffet restaurant for fine dining? It's better to pay a company a fee >>>>>>> that actually manages to cover the costs for the service that they >>>>>>> provide. If not, well, you descend in to the wonderfully high quality >>>>>>> of unlimited web hosting and buffet dining. I think that I get more >>>>>>> upset with AT&T's network being clogged than I am about the price. If I >>>>>>> can pay more to have it work well, then sign me up. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bryan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM >>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but >>>>>>> i want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i >>>>>>> also want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on >>>>>>> the telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple >>>>>>> hours of streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just >>>>>>> needs to get off thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's >>>>>>> not like I'm tryinh o ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything >>>>>>> and god forbid i ever did want to listen to something from netflix or >>>>>>> huly great job the i pad will have an ap for netflix just in time for >>>>>>> at and t to kill of any chance of acutlaly using it except at home. if >>>>>>> I have to be home to stream audio with my I phone that I was going to >>>>>>> buy I'd jus tuse my laptop On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Ricardo Walker >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not >>>>>>>> screwing people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of >>>>>>>> having limits placed on you. The timing was definitely grimy but, >>>>>>>> most people will end up saving money in the long run. >>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t in the >>>>>>>>> ball sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!!!!!! i doubt i wil be >>>>>>>>> getting a new I phone becuase of the screw job at and t is doing to >>>>>>>>> us and verizon will surely screw us as well beofre they get the I >>>>>>>>> phone it was expensive enugh beofre at and t decided to piss on all >>>>>>>>> of us who want to get an I phone >>>>>>>>> as for trying a beta it's a beta get real On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:17 >>>>>>>>> AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> right on scott the huge wait time is absolutely staggering, and to >>>>>>>>>> be blunt jumping ahead of the line to install unsanctioned product >>>>>>>>>> just because we can is a bit of a kick in the nuts to a company that >>>>>>>>>> has made itself usable out of the box for us. It's not only free, >>>>>>>>>> but jumping ahead is not only a touch unethical considering, but a >>>>>>>>>> touch rude to boot. >>>>>>>>>> On 2010-06-12, at 8:58 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Considering the fact that unless you are a developer and obtained >>>>>>>>>>> the beta via legitimate means, I cannot believe you have the nerve >>>>>>>>>>> to ask how to install/upgrade software you are not entitled to use. >>>>>>>>>>> I hope no one provides you with any help on this list. Perhaps >>>>>>>>>>> waiting for the official release makes even more sense and wow, you >>>>>>>>>>> would have to wait one entire week. >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Jørgen Skov Nielsen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have downloaded the iphone os 4, and the itunes beta. >>>>>>>>>>>> How can i do that, i have tryed to check for updates, but i can't >>>>>>>>>>>> find the boks, there i can shose the file with the update i have >>>>>>>>>>>> downloaded. >>>>>>>>>>>> Are there anyone, there have tryed to upgrade to i os 4. >>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards >>>>>>>>>>>> Jorgen >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/6/11, Scott Howell <scottn3...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Man you guys really cant' wait another week or so? How do you >>>>>>>>>>>>> know what your downloading has not been hacked and has malicious >>>>>>>>>>>>> code installed. Of course at the very least, do you not respect >>>>>>>>>>>>> the fact that these downloads are illegal or certainly are not in >>>>>>>>>>>>> line with Apples policy. I can't wait either, but these are not >>>>>>>>>>>>> legitimate sources and you do not know what your getting. >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 11, 2010, at 2:00 AM, Cody Hurst wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm running IOS 4 from www.myiphoneactivation.com. check it out >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all of the betas are there >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will be preordering the iPhone 4G on Tuesday, I'm very excited >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cody >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 11, 2010, at 12:56 AM, Justin Thornton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hi when I go to down the actual os 4 file the torrent file is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem is I'm not registered witht he apps store so I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think I can install os4. Can I? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow. Thanks for that great info, and we don't brake any laws >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by doing that. We don't crack any software. 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