I agree and although I don't think there is generally anything wrong with possible customizing options and settings, I think it is a bit much to put this forth as some huge issue of any sort. There are absolutely options to us the controls available to eliminate this speaking if it is such a concern. I tend to agree that it is a bit to the extreme to consider it a huge issue, especially when one can just change a setting to not have it speak at all already or to not have it at megaphone levels. If you don't want the caller ID speaking so loud, does the phone have to ring that loud either? One can adjust the ringer volume accordingly. A 3 fingr double tap is very quick and easy to do. What I really take issue with and where I think peoples' preferences are a bit of a problem is when they are presented as some huge violation deficiency in the product issue. If we throw everything at them as some huge issue at some point everything will be considered the same thing. Just more complaining about everything. I don't know how else to say it. THis just seems like taking something stupid to the extreme without being willing to use what is available to us to manage the use of the device and what it is set to do. It is not practical to expect everything to automate to our ever preference at every second and to consider it unreasonable to just do a double tap with 3 fingers to the screen or to go and, gasp, have to change a setting to fit the current need.
On 3/4/13, Sean Paul <newsandtraf...@aol.com> wrote: > Seriously? > I don't think most sighted people that you come in contact with can even > understand voiceover nor do they even care who is calling you. Again, at > least we have the ability to have caller ID unlike when cell phones first > came out. What if you have a home phone line & a talking caller ID box > hooked up to it & someone is over at your house visiting is it any real big > > deal if they hear it? Are you going to go cut it off because you're afraid > that they may hear it & have some sort of issue with who's calling you? I > dare say those things are much easier to understand than any voiceover is... > > I certainly don't think so. What is a big deal to me is that we have the > ability to have caller id, text messaging capabilities, web browsing, email, > > etc on our mobile devices which puts us at least on a somewhat level playing > > field with our sighted piers. I'd bet if you asked most sighted folks they > wouldn't even care if someone saw their caller id... Probably wouldn't have > > an issue if it were flashed up on some bilboard somewhere. I think there are > > much bigger fish to fry in the accessibility world than this one. Again, > just be thankful that Apple cared enough about those of us who are visually > > impaired to give us something like voiceover. Just one man's opinion & yes, > > sometimes I do get paid for it. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Emrah" <li...@kavun.ch> > To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 09:32 > Subject: Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue > with VoiceOver on iPhone > > > Hi, > > How exactly do you think you are being constructive here? > > On the same register as your message, don't you think sighted people would > have an issue if their caller ID were flashed on a billboard for everyone to > > see every time they get a call? > > It goes without saying that it is great we have access to caller ID. What is > > not so great is that it is announced out loud automatically for every one in > > your immediate surroundings to hear. > > I know that blind people sometimes have a hard time acknowledging the > presence of other people who can see and hear. I like using my phone in a > rather discrete fashion with a Bluetooth earpiece. I personally find it > annoying that incoming calls make Samantha irrupt through my speakerphone > and freak out the fellow traveller who is sitting right across from me. :) I > > don't quite like being the subject of other's curiosity. They suddenly have > > to acknowledge that there is a blind guy in the house. > > I am happy for you if you don't consider it to be an issue. I guess it > depends on a multitude of settings and appreciate your opinion. > > However, I still believe I have a valid point here. There is no reason for > us to broadcast the name and number of people who are calling us. > > Cheers > > E > > On Mar 4, 2013, at 6:05 AM, Sean Paul <newsandtraf...@aol.com> wrote: > >> So, would you complain if it wasn't spoken at all? I'd bet you would. >> Isn't it a good thing that we get caller ID at all? I mean? Seriously? >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ricardo Walker" >> <rwalker...@gmail.com> >> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 15:54 >> Subject: Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue >> >> with VoiceOver on iPhone >> >> >> Hi, >> >> Not to sound discouraging but, I honestly don't know how many really share >> >> this concern. I'm not so sure it's unavoidable either. One could mute >> speech with a 3 finger double tap when not in use or, turn Voiceover off >> all together with a 3 triple press of home, and turn either back on when >> receiving an incoming call or, just want access to the phone. You could >> even turn down the volume of voiceover so it would be hard to hear if not >> >> holding the device in your hand. But I must say, of all bugs I want >> fixed, or features I want to see added, This wouldn't even make my top >> 10. >> >> But, who knows? I might be in the minority on this topic. Hopefully your >> >> message will urge others with the same concerns to contact Apple about >> it. >> >> JMO., >> >> Ricardo Walker >> rica...@appletothecore.info >> Twitter:@apple2thecore >> www.appletothecore.info >> >> On Mar 3, 2013, at 3:28 PM, Emrah <li...@kavun.ch> wrote: >> >>> Hi list, >>> >>> I remember reporting this a while ago to Apple Accessibility… To no >>> avail. >>> VoiceOver users have an unavoidable privacy issue: the automatic >>> announcement of the caller ID of an incoming call. >>> It should be possible to make this optional, with the ability to manually >>> >>> interrogate the screen to know who is calling. >>> >>> Moreover, why is it that when we have a headphone connected, the caller >>> ID is still spoken out loud through the speakerphone? >>> >>> What do we have to do for Apple to take this into consideration? 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