Hello to anyone reading this crud,

Time after time, I see Chris being a complete idiot on this list.  His subject 
lines always reflect a border-line hysteria, when dealing with momentary, 
hiccup, problems with his Mac &/or OSX & its various applications.  Words like, 
"strange, weird, bizarre, maddening, crazy, & other off-the-top descriptions 
reflect a manic personality, that seems unstable @ the very least.

And now, based on an inquiry--that seems legit to me for those using Boot Camp 
or VM Fusion--he is using distasteful language in a completely off-the-chart 
rant/response to the originator of the NVDA post.  Without a medical history, I 
suppose it would be inappropriate to suggest that Chris up his anti depressant 
dosage.  But, seriously, @ what point does the moderator on this list step in & 
say "enough!"  

I guess I could take Chris's own recommendation & filter him out of my mail 
box.  In fact, I have considered this in the past, when seeing his posts.  I 
must confess, I generally skip over them, as a matter of course, anyway.  
However, this last rant is just unacceptable.  Chris states himself, that he's 
not acting professionally in this matter & he's sure got that right.  While, as 
he states in his message that he doesn't have to act that way in this 
environment, he could @ least act with courtesy.

Anyway, I sincerely hope that the moderator will read this & consider action 
regarding Chris.  It's not the first time & it won't be the last.  Chris is the 
one bad apple that sours the whole barrel.

Sincerely,

CJ 
On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:21 AM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sir?  That is no? problem!
>  
> I will forget about you, and will set up a mail filter from now on to block 
> every bit your incoming mail, whether directed at me or not.  Frankly, you're 
> being very hasty and extremely disrespectful.  But, Mister Congeniality whom 
> I've delt with on and off various lists numerous times before, may I add the 
> mods taking my side every single time, your perfect because you're god, and 
> you know everything.  Oh yeah, I forgot oh wize one! No one else ever! is 
> right, everyone but you is wrong!  God damn straight I took what you said 
> personally in your last reply.  Why shouldn't I when you were down right rude.
>  
> All that I initially did was asked one question about how the hell what you 
> said was related to the mac.  I wasn't jumping down your throat, and though 
> you clame you meant well in your first e-mail back to me, it proves you as a  
> despicable liar!  If you weren't offended at what I said, you wouldn't 
> haveritten the things you did.  You don't have to like me, but God fucking 
> dammit, I do! deserve dignity and respect, and if anyone on this list wants 
> to say I'm not a Christian quote unquote, and chuck Reichel, don't you even 
> think! about writing me telling me to God up!  People on this list're gonna 
> learn, in a professional environment, I'd not speak as I am, but this is non 
> CLG Productions related, thus professionalism goes out the window when you 
> treat me this way.  Frankly, to anyone moderator or not, who feels me saying 
> what I am is in the wrong, let me remind you of something:  This list is a 
> macintosh Voiceover/IOS list, not! an NVDA list.  There is another list 
> specifically for that,
> 
>  
> nvda+subscr...@googlegroups.com
>  
> and I'm sure people there would be happy to help.  Second of all, what was 
> nice about this other gentlemen calling me out on list, and saying he's tired 
> of my pussy whatever comments.  I don't remember his wording, but who the 
> hell cares!  You want my help, ask for it nicely, and you might get it, but 
> if you sit here and trample me for one honest to goodness question, don't 
> expect anything in return.  I don't mind you speaking your mind, Phil, no, 
> but just as you have the right to speak your's, so do I, and that's exactly 
> what you've forced my hand to do.  You all will learn very quickly, I can be 
> the best friend, and most patient compassionate man you'll probably know, but 
> you piss me off?  wheuhuhho boy! are you gonna know it!
>  
> Frankly, if you wanna delete my e-mails, Phil or not, go right? ahead!  
> People like you all who do that have that right certainly, but frankly, you 
> guys are not worth my time nor energy, so get off my case, as frankly, not 
> only do I not wanna hear it, but frankly, I'm neither going! to listen to it, 
> case closed!  I am done with this discussion, so don't even think! about 
> writing me on or off list about it, as if I see one e-mail from this thread, 
> it's getting deleted and not even opened.
>  
> If you wanna write me off list to express your support in my stance, go for 
> it, but I'm telling you now, you put the word n v d A in your subject, don't 
> then expect me to read the mail.  And, if you try faking me by an off the 
> wall subject, believe me though I may open the mail unknowingly, as soon as I 
> see your disguise, you'll be deleted, and forever e-mail blocked, so don't? 
> try it!  I'm warnhing you now!  If you immature children! want my help, then 
> straighten the hell up!  God damn! why didn't some of you get pops on the 
> butt with a belt when you were young.  Would a probably done you some good!
>  
> Chris.
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Phil Halton
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 12:30 PM
> Subject: Re: NVDA tutorials- NVDA Korea - English Site
> 
> I knew you'd take it personally Chris. Sometimes people just get sarcastic 
> and you can't let it get to you so much. If you re-read my message, you'll 
> perhaps see that there wasn't anything in there that should get a person so 
> upset. I mean really, all I did is answer your question factually, then refer 
> to myself as a gracious bugger, and ask the question, "is it okay to mention 
> the Windows operating system here"? that wasn't a slam on you. It wasn't even 
> directed at you personally, but was more a comment on fanaticism about 
> mentioning Windows on Mac Lists. Frankly, I'm getting a little tired of 
> having to pussy foot around you. Try just ignoring things that seem like 
> personal attacks. 99 times out of 100 , they aren't, and its just something 
> bugging you that makes them seem like they are.
>  
> In fact, you could start by ignoring any perceived insult or personal attack 
> you see in this message, because there isn't any.
>  
> In case you want to flame me for speaking my mind, I'll let you know that I'm 
> just going to hit the delete key when I see this message again, so it'll just 
> be a waste of your time.
>  
> Try to forget me and have a nice day.
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Gilland
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 9:49 PM
> Subject: Re: NVDA tutorials- NVDA Korea - English Site
> 
> Well, excuse me.  As I initially said, and meant when I did… I wasn't trying 
> to be rude, and the fact that you took it such way wasn't intended.  I only 
> was asking how it related.  It wasn't meant as a derogatory comment.  Calm 
> down!  I simply just didn't see the initial part of the thread, and was 
> asking out of curiosity.  give me a break for goodness sake!
> 
> Chris.
> 
> On Jun 28, 2013, at 9:41 PM, "Phil Halton" <philh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> someone asked for NVDA tutorials, I assume for use in their Fusion install 
>> of Windows. And, gracious bugger that I am, I complied.
>>  
>> Is it okay to speak the name of that other OS on this list? I know it isn't 
>> on the other MAC list - just the mention of it will get you a stern rebuke. 
>> That's probably why I don't bother with them anymore.
>>  
>>  
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Chris Gilland
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 8:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: NVDA tutorials- NVDA Korea - English Site
>> 
>> Uh?  What's this gotta do with the Mac?  Not meaning to be rude, just 
>> curious.  Did I miss something?
>>  
>> Chris.
>>  
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Phil Halton
>> To: Macvisionaries
>> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 9:52 AM
>> Subject: NVDA tutorials- NVDA Korea - English Site
>> 
>> Here's a link to a website that has some very good tutorial podcasts on 
>> NVDA. Don't forget to read the extensive and well-written help file that 
>> comes with NVDA as well.
>>  
>> http://www.nvda-kr.org/en/
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