It's ok Shane. You don't have to defend me.
I'm going to give it a night to let things cool down before doing something
rash that I'll later possibly regret, especially being how difficult I hear it
now is to get on the list, but most likely, unless my decision changes
tomorrow, I'll probably be off the list. That last e-mail has me practically
sobbing in uncontrolable tears.
You all don't have to worry though. I won't help any longer. I'm completely
finished. I know I've said this before, but between CJ and Phil, I'm sorry,
that's put me over the top. I've been patient long enough with you guys.
Oh, and by the way, before anyone asks me. Yes, I'll finish the ProTools stuff
on Applevis. I made you all that promise, and I don't break promises, case
closed. So though I really don't feel like doing so, that, I'll finish for you
all, but after that, I'm done!
Please do not anyone contact me for Macintosh help again unless you're prepared
to pay my business hourly rate which is $15 an hour, or my flat rate unlimited
monthly fee which is $25.00.
----- Original Message -----
From: shane christenson
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 7:02 PM
Subject: regarding a list member
I don't normally get in on discussions like this, but, I'm not sure where
someone gets the idea that he is needing medication. I personally have found
him to be a wealth of information with his knowledge of the apple products
discussed on this list.
Shane'
On Jun 29, 2013, at 5:19 PM, CJ Daniel <cj.bear.dan...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello to anyone reading this crud,
Time after time, I see Chris being a complete idiot on this list. His
subject lines always reflect a border-line hysteria, when dealing with
momentary, hiccup, problems with his Mac &/or OSX & its various applications.
Words like, "strange, weird, bizarre, maddening, crazy, & other off-the-top
descriptions reflect a manic personality, that seems unstable @ the very least.
And now, based on an inquiry--that seems legit to me for those using Boot
Camp or VM Fusion--he is using distasteful language in a completely
off-the-chart rant/response to the originator of the NVDA post. Without a
medical history, I suppose it would be inappropriate to suggest that Chris up
his anti depressant dosage. But, seriously, @ what point does the moderator on
this list step in & say "enough!"
I guess I could take Chris's own recommendation & filter him out of my mail
box. In fact, I have considered this in the past, when seeing his posts. I
must confess, I generally skip over them, as a matter of course, anyway.
However, this last rant is just unacceptable. Chris states himself, that he's
not acting professionally in this matter & he's sure got that right. While, as
he states in his message that he doesn't have to act that way in this
environment, he could @ least act with courtesy.
Anyway, I sincerely hope that the moderator will read this & consider
action regarding Chris. It's not the first time & it won't be the last. Chris
is the one bad apple that sours the whole barrel.
Sincerely,
CJ
On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:21 AM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
Sir? That is no? problem!
I will forget about you, and will set up a mail filter from now on to
block every bit your incoming mail, whether directed at me or not. Frankly,
you're being very hasty and extremely disrespectful. But, Mister Congeniality
whom I've delt with on and off various lists numerous times before, may I add
the mods taking my side every single time, your perfect because you're god, and
you know everything. Oh yeah, I forgot oh wize one! No one else ever! is
right, everyone but you is wrong! God damn straight I took what you said
personally in your last reply. Why shouldn't I when you were down right rude.
All that I initially did was asked one question about how the hell what
you said was related to the mac. I wasn't jumping down your throat, and though
you clame you meant well in your first e-mail back to me, it proves you as a
despicable liar! If you weren't offended at what I said, you wouldn't
haveritten the things you did. You don't have to like me, but God fucking
dammit, I do! deserve dignity and respect, and if anyone on this list wants to
say I'm not a Christian quote unquote, and chuck Reichel, don't you even think!
about writing me telling me to God up! People on this list're gonna learn, in
a professional environment, I'd not speak as I am, but this is non CLG
Productions related, thus professionalism goes out the window when you treat me
this way. Frankly, to anyone moderator or not, who feels me saying what I am
is in the wrong, let me remind you of something: This list is a macintosh
Voiceover/IOS list, not! an NVDA list. There is another list specifically for
that,
nvda+subscr...@googlegroups.com
and I'm sure people there would be happy to help. Second of all, what
was nice about this other gentlemen calling me out on list, and saying he's
tired of my pussy whatever comments. I don't remember his wording, but who the
hell cares! You want my help, ask for it nicely, and you might get it, but if
you sit here and trample me for one honest to goodness question, don't expect
anything in return. I don't mind you speaking your mind, Phil, no, but just as
you have the right to speak your's, so do I, and that's exactly what you've
forced my hand to do. You all will learn very quickly, I can be the best
friend, and most patient compassionate man you'll probably know, but you piss
me off? wheuhuhho boy! are you gonna know it!
Frankly, if you wanna delete my e-mails, Phil or not, go right? ahead!
People like you all who do that have that right certainly, but frankly, you
guys are not worth my time nor energy, so get off my case, as frankly, not only
do I not wanna hear it, but frankly, I'm neither going! to listen to it, case
closed! I am done with this discussion, so don't even think! about writing me
on or off list about it, as if I see one e-mail from this thread, it's getting
deleted and not even opened.
If you wanna write me off list to express your support in my stance, go
for it, but I'm telling you now, you put the word n v d A in your subject,
don't then expect me to read the mail. And, if you try faking me by an off the
wall subject, believe me though I may open the mail unknowingly, as soon as I
see your disguise, you'll be deleted, and forever e-mail blocked, so don't? try
it! I'm warnhing you now! If you immature children! want my help, then
straighten the hell up! God damn! why didn't some of you get pops on the butt
with a belt when you were young. Would a probably done you some good!
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Halton
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: NVDA tutorials- NVDA Korea - English Site
I knew you'd take it personally Chris. Sometimes people just get
sarcastic and you can't let it get to you so much. If you re-read my message,
you'll perhaps see that there wasn't anything in there that should get a person
so upset. I mean really, all I did is answer your question factually, then
refer to myself as a gracious bugger, and ask the question, "is it okay to
mention the Windows operating system here"? that wasn't a slam on you. It
wasn't even directed at you personally, but was more a comment on fanaticism
about mentioning Windows on Mac Lists. Frankly, I'm getting a little tired of
having to pussy foot around you. Try just ignoring things that seem like
personal attacks. 99 times out of 100 , they aren't, and its just something
bugging you that makes them seem like they are.
In fact, you could start by ignoring any perceived insult or personal
attack you see in this message, because there isn't any.
In case you want to flame me for speaking my mind, I'll let you know
that I'm just going to hit the delete key when I see this message again, so
it'll just be a waste of your time.
Try to forget me and have a nice day.
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Gilland
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: NVDA tutorials- NVDA Korea - English Site
Well, excuse me. As I initially said, and meant when I did… I wasn't
trying to be rude, and the fact that you took it such way wasn't intended. I
only was asking how it related. It wasn't meant as a derogatory comment. Calm
down! I simply just didn't see the initial part of the thread, and was asking
out of curiosity. give me a break for goodness sake!
Chris.
On Jun 28, 2013, at 9:41 PM, "Phil Halton" <philh...@gmail.com> wrote:
someone asked for NVDA tutorials, I assume for use in their Fusion
install of Windows. And, gracious bugger that I am, I complied.
Is it okay to speak the name of that other OS on this list? I know
it isn't on the other MAC list - just the mention of it will get you a stern
rebuke. That's probably why I don't bother with them anymore.
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Gilland
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: NVDA tutorials- NVDA Korea - English Site
Uh? What's this gotta do with the Mac? Not meaning to be rude,
just curious. Did I miss something?
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Halton
To: Macvisionaries
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 9:52 AM
Subject: NVDA tutorials- NVDA Korea - English Site
Here's a link to a website that has some very good tutorial
podcasts on NVDA. Don't forget to read the extensive and well-written help file
that comes with NVDA as well.
http://www.nvda-kr.org/en/
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