Paul,
You said it all.
On 12/17/2013 07:54, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
Mario,
That’s quite a lot of needless anger just because you didn’t get all
the attention you wanted right away from Apple. I do not think we
blind people have a right to demand anymore than we have earned. The
world owes us nothing for nothing. I suspect that you do not really
understand the structure of Apple and how it really works. Rick is
right. With an organization like Apple, you’ve got a lot of
compartmentalization to contend with: and, whether you or I like it
or not, those compartments do not always communicate with each other.
That’s just how it is in that sort of world. Learn how to move
around in that and you can then get something done. Whine bitch and
complain to the Choir, and you get nothing done. As Apple customers,
we do have a responsibility to give to Apple’s accessibility team all
the feedback we can and to do it in such a way as to present an
intelligent case. How do you or I really know exactly what goes on
behind the seens over there? It’s one thing to holler on the outside,
but quite another to learn how most effectively to move things in the
way you wish they would go. CAn it be better? Of course it always
can. misdirected anger, however, is not the way to get it done.
Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the
blind built-in!
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
On Dec 17, 2013, at 7:58 AM, Mario Navarro <mario....@gmail.com
<mailto:mario....@gmail.com>> wrote:
sorry my friend, but what you're talking about doesn't make sense.
the accessibility team at apple must have overall responsibility to
self take over as the only Department that serves the accessibility
issues.
This Department has to assume only matters related to everything that
has to do with accessibility.
can't depend on extra chiefdoms.
If indeed that is the case and the friend be sure your reasoning, so
I am forced to say that the apple company is a complete confusion,
disorientation, and without any type of organization and guidance.
This is how a company organized work. each Department has to be
independent and self have a well-structured and organized team with a
Chief leader.
If this doesn't exist on apple, so for me this company is a total mess.
sorry but this is the truth.
that's enough to defend the accessibility team and continue to
support and pretend that all is well.
the more we do,the more problems there will be and who gets harmed us.
We have to be treated as normal because consumers and customers pay
for products too and if you don't see us as potential consumers, it's
their fault because they don't give us the necessary conditions in
order to be able to buy affordable products.
I know and I have blind friends who consume many more apple products
that other people have vision.and I think it is so that Europe and
the world, in every community of blind people.
and we all know that the prices of apple products are very high.
We respect who treats us well, but we can not say amen to all that
was done, or was to be done.
it's been a long time since the irresponsibility apple's
accessibility Department
have been take.
now the time has come to appeal to blind people consumers of apple
products that no longer defend this company while continuing to treat
us as weak clients and they don't deserve the attention responsible
as they do with people who have vision.
We have the right to demand more and more because we are equal or
even better than many people who have vision and who can't do half of
what we do in the world of imformatica.
I ask you please friends no more defending and being fan boys
whatever that company is if this company doesn't respect us.
apple already respected in the past but not now respect us more for
thinking that I have done all that we want.
and now I just do what they want, and don't take on more the
compromise they have undertaken in the past.
apple thinks he has already conquered the market of business and
consumers blind, and now were irresponsible sleeping in spot light.
on my part are wrong because I will denounce that irresponsibility
Apple opens your eyes and let stop sleep in the spotlight and
assumes responsibility with what rightfully customers are required to
have ...
responsibility,responsibility
Sorry for my bad English.
cheers.
No dia 17/12/2013, às 10:37, Ray Foret Jr <rforet7...@comcast.net
<mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> escreveu:
Of late, I have noticed complaints against the Apple accessibility
team as if to suggest that we are being ignored. It seems to be the
belief of some that the Apple accessibility team fixes accessibility
bugs and problems with Voice Over. I do not believe that this is
the case. It is my belief that the Apple accessibility team has, in
fact, a very limited role at Apple. Frankly, with the passing of
the late great Steve Jobs, that role has perhaps demenished greatly.
I believe that the Apple accessibility team never has had actual
decision making capacity with respect to actual implementation of
fixes for Voice Over. They didn’t even have this power under Steve
Jobs. Unless I am very much mistaken, all the accessibility team
has any power to do is to forward our findings over to the
development teams but nothing more. They cannot even tell us
whether or not our reports will be acted upon. Now, this last is
most likely a part of Apple’s non disclosure policy: however, I
suspect that even if this was not so, Apple’s accessibility team
would not be informed in any case. In short, it seems that the only
function that this accessibility team has and will ever have at
Apple is not much more than a kind of clearing house of feedback
from us blind users. I cannot help wonder how many Apple app
developmental teams look at submissions from the accessibility team
and say to themselves, “Oh, no, not again.”. I suspect that this
explains why it is that our reports seem to go unheeded.
Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the
blind built-in!
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
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